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bad luck with this Sicura

Post08 May 2014, 15:20

You all know i'm a big fan of thin watches. I all ready have the thinnest seiko's, the Bulava phantoms etc...but a board members (gjlelec) showed a few pictures of his collection thin digitals with hands and i was sold :-D
http://www.newdwf.com/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=6700&p=44513#p44513

so at last a scored a nice Sicura one with a default...i saw it on the picture but it was hard to see if it was in the watch or just the camera or something else mirrored here.

So time to open it up...damn..now you really can see i have no watchmaking background. a very thin layer with the name is peeling of the background plate. Now i have a nice watch
but no idea what i will do..get everything off and make it clean without the name on it or
look around for a new backplate of it still exists?

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but i really like the shape and the look of this watch :-D
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Re: bad luck with this Sicura

Post11 May 2014, 11:09

Zonde :(

The watch face with the text is gone now and not very nice to to look at. Maybe you can remove the complete layer, clean and polish the dial en put a new coat of laquer on it? The dial will have no text, but look very nice.
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Re: bad luck with this Sicura

Post18 May 2014, 12:25

Letraset and lacquer?
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Re: bad luck with this Sicura

Post18 May 2014, 21:13

Ambermile wrote:Letraset and lacquer?


I was thinking along the same lines, although I am not sure if it is going to be small enough, item number 301123971555 is 3mm which cannot be too far off although the style of lettering is not going to look as good as the original. :scratch:

Update: I found their website, maybe it could be made better by using a combination of different styles.. .. .. http://www.letraset.com/products/90-Letraset-Transfers/
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Post18 May 2014, 22:31

First i had no idea what you 2 were talking about :-D
nice..great idea...never thought of that. Could give it a go :-D thx
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Re: bad luck with this Sicura

Post20 May 2014, 16:26

Hey Kasper - If you have access to a dtp program, Photoshop or illustrator then you could redo the dial.

Remove all the old stuff that's peeling off. Find a pic of an original one and copy it as best you can (or perhaps do a Longines or Concorde one instead ;-) ) then print it using a standard laser printer onto some of that clear sheeting that people use to protect the glass of their Iphones (sticky on one side).

Cut it out with a tidy hole in the middle and stick it on your dial.

It might just work....
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Post10 Jan 2015, 06:17

Another option is to buy laser or inkjet decal paper available in white or translucent.
Below an example, stripped, rebrushed, nickel plated, decal applied, lacquered, indexes put back on.
The project took me 2 years of which designing the decal about 1 year in my spare time.
Not factory perfect when you look at it from 1cm but in general an excellent result when worn daily.
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Post10 Jan 2015, 08:34

azimuth nailed it. Decal it. Of course a redial would be about 60$ and the decal paper about 20$. So what is it worth.

Nice job azimuth!

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Post10 Jan 2015, 10:20

Thanks Geoff :)
If the text or minute markers on a dial are peeling off like in this Sicura they have been made with a factory decal.
So why not return back to the roots? ;)
I also did an Omega EQ with this technology.
Some of you might even give it a try with decoupage techniques if you know how that works.
I reproduced seconds markers on an index ring for a chronograph this way.
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Post10 Jan 2015, 10:49

Kasper, i have what looks like the same module ,Concord version, its a worker too.Its been sitting in my "shite" pile for a couple of years !@@! , PM your address if you want it and i'll send it FOC. Better on someones wrist than left unused

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Post10 Jan 2015, 11:22

pm sent...it will take time to gather all the knowledge to restore the Sicura but i will succeed :-D
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Post10 Jan 2015, 12:18

Piotr,
excellent work. Now it becomes interesting. Could you show us some of the products you used? Simply amazing what you did. Hanno.
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Post10 Jan 2015, 12:30

Piotr, do you know where i could source a crystal for my 8192 Omega ?
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Post10 Jan 2015, 13:05

You have my full attention now :-D wow, incredible job Piotr..been searching for a long time for a solution to get a print on glass/metal...i even tried it :-)

http://www.newdwf.com/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=5173&p=33922&hilit=designing#p33922

even wanted to buy this one: thermic cd printer
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Post10 Jan 2015, 15:46

Thank you Gents, here goes...
Not sure if I mentioned this ever but prior to collecting watches I used to be a hardcore model kit collector for about 10 years.
And so I applied airbrush effects and decals on a weekly basis to my super detailed hand assembled WWII Mustangs, Spitfires, tanks and also Migs or Blackhawks.
Once I switched to watches (which are far more practical) I had quite a challenge to think of idea to restore damaged dials.
I considered having a decal made but the minimum order qty was to high at a local decal producer.
I then found transfer and decal papers from Switzerland and Germany by Emtec (then Basf) but they were to expensive.
That was 15 years ago when eBay was not that popular not to mention that hardly anybody could afford having a laser printer at home.
A few years later I found another source that was cheaper and already tested in the model kit community.
And so I bought white and translucent papers from this source together with a coating and setting solution applied with a brush or airbrush:
http://www.bare-metal.com/Experts-Choic ... -Film.html
This is the paper used in the above Wittnauer Futurama and Omega EQ.
Quite good quality and only one flaw that it does not stick to well to metal (as opposed to plastic and modelling paint) and so I suggest using translucent glue of high quality.
Once you print the drawing you usually also need to secure the print with a coating solution especially if you use inkjet paper.
Not everybody has an airbrush so you can use hairspray or normal lacquer in a spray can but testing is required.
For uneven and curvy surfaces you need a setting solution which slightly dissolves the decal and allows it to set evenly to angled surfaces.

Nowadays you can buy decal paper anywhere and the technology is being improved all the time so testing of new suppliers is required.
Below please find some websites and stores with decal paper including tutorials. One is especially good which says that setting can be improved with lighter fuel whereas oil can make white decals turn into transparent color (not sure if this applies to all manufacturers).
http://rrmodelcraftsman.com/extraboard/ ... lpaper.php
http://www.modeltrainsoftware.com/decalpaper.html

http://www.papilio.com - leading producer nowadays
http://www.craftycomputerpaper.co.uk/category/Decals
http://www.decalpaper.com/category-s/3.htm
http://www.dreyfa.com/inkjet_water_slide_decal.html
http://creativepaperco.com/laser-waterslide-decal-paper
http://www.beldecal.com/laser_paper.html

This one seems interesting, a special patented ceramic decal paper for baking onto mugs that does not need any pre-coating.
I will need to test this one day for baking on top of metal dials which should give a long lasting effect:
http://sunnyscopa.en.ec21.com/Double_La ... 75951.html

This one is my favorite, not exactly about decal paper but the end result of airbrushing and decal paper in model kit making:
http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2 ... ha-jet.htm
From here the sky is the limit.

In reference to what Kasper attempted with sticky paper (printed sticker paper) this is possible but requires several attempts.
Such paper is coated with a thin polymer layer which absorbs the ink or toner. I had tried with about 10 different manufacturers to find the best roughness.
I used this to restore a Zodiac Astrographic, printed the index ring and logo in black, painted the indexes white with a needle, coated black and applied to the bottom side of the glass:
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Outcome is limited to resolution and the paper which must not to be to rough.
I would believe that rub on decal paper should also produce a good result in this case when used on glass.
Comments are welcome, I have not tried this out yet.

Another better outcome for a dial mask or dial (but not for glass) can be achieved by printing an image on high quality photo paper (this will not have the roughness of the sticky paper or decal).
All you need afterwards is to apply wide transparent Scotch tape on top to remove the surface of the paper with image from the thicker cardboard paper.
Stick onto dial or other location and you're done.

Yet another option is to use decoupage techniques with laser toner which I learned from my girlfriend :lol:
Print a high quality image in mirror mode on normal but quality paper, stick to desired surface with decoupage glue or white glue for wood purposes (which turns translucent).
Once dry dip the item with the paper on top in water and rub the paper away.
This requires some experience but you should be able to remove the paper and end up with the image (toner) incorporated in the thin layer of translucent glue.
This might have some light roughness similar to decal or sticky paper.
Below my recent attempt made for charger to recreate a Navitimer dial... onto a lid of tomato sauce :mega:
This was a test only so I was not very gentle and also the golden lid was not the intended surface but the outcome was acceptable, work in progress.
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Post10 Jan 2015, 16:23

gjlelec wrote:Piotr, do you know where i could source a crystal for my 8192 Omega ?


I have my crystals cut but my 80 year old watchmaker.
He is slow and always in a backlog but with so many watches on my bench I am never in a hurry.
I can ask if you're interested but it might last 2 months especially when I'm travelling and there is nobody who can pick it up. Price is about 50$ and up for bigger or more complex crystals. Thickness is usually close but is not noticeable when assembled.
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Post10 Jan 2015, 19:19

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