P1 on ebay.

[holly35]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Pulsa ... 2577190b21

[Kasper]

i,ve been in contact with the guy... he is trustworthy..bought some from him.
He is selling 75% of his collection...so keep following him

[Ade51]

I'm assuming Bruce is after this...would this be your 10th Bruce?

[bucko170]

NICE

What is the current value of this watch in terms of gold content?

[bruce wegmann]

Yes, it WOULD be my 10th (counting the 14K one), IF I was after it. This watch has been on eBay before, two years or so ago. It went for a lot less than the seller is asking now. The "blurring" of the serial number was pointless...the distinctive "dig" in the caseback between the "H" and "C" identifies this example as serial number P754503 (a couple hundred dollars' worth of gold welding and refinishing could erase this singular blemish). I wish the seller hadn't gone so far out of his way to fuel the paranoia about owning one of these...except for Sammy Davis, Jr., and one careless collector, NOBODY has ever had a P1 stolen, in 40 years. I have owned multiple P1s for years, and have yet to have hoards of rabid Pulsar thieves storming my doors.
A 19-link bracelet works out at about 136 grams of alloy weight, or 102 grams (3.28ozT) of pure gold, now roughly US$5600 at current spot price. This is one of just a few P1s with the later 201-2 module (smaller circuit board with vertical light sensor). The opening bid seems a reasonable price; much beyond that and you lose me, what with the repair needing to be made.
A question I'd like answered is...how did he get a pic of just the module, without splitting the case halves, and how were they re-assembled?

[bucko170]

The listing has ended and the item is no longer available, I wonder who got it?

[Lillegutt]

"This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available."

Seems like he just misplaced it... I've seen a few other sellers also doing that...


JHH

[napnap]

this looks like a P1...

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Pulsar-LED-18K-G ... 337ef77a82

[Kasper]

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=6046

we are on it
"edit: specially for Bruce : look to the above topic...someone has seen it before and already made a topic about it" yeah i know..English is not my native language, How is your Dutch Bruce

[bruce wegmann]

What do you mean, "we're on it"? This listing has been up for five days! I saw it when it had been up for 20 minutes! Here's my post from the "other" Forum:

The one currently on eBay, if my guess is right, is the highest serial number, and the last 18K P1 made (and, only the boxes will allow this to go significantly over "melt" value, as it is clearly not working, and will need some expensive repairs). Known serials now span 427 (lowest, 223, highest, 650), making it impossible that "only 400 were made" (I think the original number was 450, but only 400 were selected to be completed and sold). And let's not forget the one-of-a-kind P1 in 14K solid gold, with its' unique serial P305602 (I am certain now that 65 14K P1s WERE produced, but so far, we have just the single survivor). The number of "salesman's samples" (in 18K goldplate on base metal) remains unknown. Unfortunately, persistent paranoia (fueled, for the most part, by one particular person) about owning a P1 has kept many owners from publicly revealing the existence of their watch, so making an exact count impossible to compile (a situation I find intolerable, and that future collectors will find incomprehensible). Most P1s are owned individually; legend has it that another collector has seven...my best guess is that the known pool of P1s is held by about 30 people, worldwide.

[bucko170]

What do you mean, "we're on it"? This listing has been up for five days! I saw it when it had been up for 20 minutes! Here's my post from the "other" Forum:

The one currently on eBay, if my guess is right, is the highest serial number, and the last 18K P1 made (and, only the boxes will allow this to go significantly over "melt" value, as it is clearly not working, and will need some expensive repairs). Known serials now span 427 (lowest, 223, highest, 650), making it impossible that "only 400 were made" (I think the original number was 450, but only 400 were selected to be completed and sold). And let's not forget the one-of-a-kind P1 in 14K solid gold, with its' unique serial P305602 (I am certain now that 65 14K P1s WERE produced, but so far, we have just the single survivor). The number of "salesman's samples" (in 18K goldplate on base metal) remains unknown. Unfortunately, persistent paranoia (fueled, for the most part, by one particular person) about owning a P1 has kept many owners from publicly revealing the existence of their watch, so making an exact count impossible to compile (a situation I find intolerable, and that future collectors will find incomprehensible). Most P1s are owned individually; legend has it that another collector has seven...my best guess is that the known pool of P1s is held by about 30 people, worldwide.

You posted on 01.07.13, I posted 01.04.13 (viewtopic.php?f=16&t=6046) so Kasper was correct in saying we are on it. But hey does it really matter?

[Seiko&Casio Lcd's]

as it is clearly not working, and will need some expensive repairs

Just out of curiosity, is there a SASM module available for the P1 ?

[bruce wegmann]

OMG, I hope not! This is a watch you do NOT put anything but original electronics into! Anything else would be like putting a Volkswagen engine into a Ferrari... I think it best to put that notion out of our heads right now!

[Seiko&Casio Lcd's]

Anything else would be like putting a Volkswagen engine into a Ferrari...

Except if it's a volkswagen w12 engine with 608 HP

[SASM]

Hi Bruce,

thanks for the compliment as I believe Volkswagen make great cars.
Maybe boring but excellent manufacturing and quality. Do you mind that there are basically Volkswagen / Audi engines in Lamborghinis?

@ Seiko&Casio Lcd's:
If you buy that P1 I will make a special P1 SASM module for free. Four or six digits don´t matter.

Hanno.

[Seiko&Casio Lcd's]

Thanks hanno
But the price is a bit out of my league right now
Maybe if i save up enough i will be able to buy one someday.

[bruce wegmann]

You're missing my point completely. It's the sort of thing you simply don't use anything but original parts to do the repair, period...anything less does not do the watch justice. This is not a Date/Command or P2 or Dress model...this is an historically-significant timepiece (every P1 is). Any collector will tell you that...you wouldn't put Timex parts in a Rolex...even if they fit.

[abem]

Volkswagon makes great engines (door handles, not so much!)

Personally, I'd love a StrikesAndSpares P1 module for my saleman's P1 since I keep the 25 chip module safe and sound in a little box. It would be nice to be able to take it out once in a while and see it light up. I guess that makes me a bit less of a purist than Bruce (99.44% pure?) I'm into the idea of capturing the feel of the original article. If the goal of collecting these things is to let you see into another time and place, without destroying or misrepresenting the original history, then I think there's some value in that.

-abe.

[napnap]

If a P1 has a module that can't be repaired by a professional it would be a great waste to let it in a safe unused. Take the module out, protect it and give it a new life with a new modern module. Keep the real thing for a future repair by a real professional that is not a con artist that says he can do something and does not have the ability to do so. Items have the soul you infuse in them. It's all a question of respect and respectability!

[SASM]

I have never intended to build a P1 module. Bascially because collectors own such a watch only. They would normally not put a replacement module in their watch plus the series of watches is quite small.

However a special problem needs a special solution: @Abe + napnap: I am with you in that putting historical important watches in a safe because you cannot wear them is not better at all. Moreover we are not talking about putting a mass module in a P1. I am in Chicago in late August. I will try to build 5 handmade P1 modules. Abe - as already discussed I am in need of your professional photo skills so hopefully we can meet and you can finally wear your watch again.

[218Accutron]

i have a goofy question, and please forgive the 'newbie' in me. when i look at the module from the one posted on ebay, why is it 'painted' black? also, in the lower right corner i assume that is where the quartz crystal is or was? it looks to me like it has been replaced with something else. again, i'm REALLY new at this and still getting over the side effects of chemo and radiation (now 124 days out of treatment ) so just be patient. and a big shout out thank you to bruce for correcting me on my men's dress. i made a typo when i posted the original gold content..... i meant to say 14k gf, not 18k gf. my mistake as i was looking at both the pulsar and the accutron at the same time. btw.... i wore the accutron yesterday and i had a nice comment from one of my friends at the marina where my partner and i keep our boat......

(for you boaters out there, she is a 1982 trojan f-36 tri cabin. my parents owned a factory delivered and built to our specs 1972 trojan f-36 tri cabin. owned from 1972 until 2008)

anyway, he saw the accutron and knew exactly what it was. he did mention his displeasure at the fact i was wearing it around the water. it's nice to know that at my age (52) an older guy can still chastise this youngster.
aaron

[charger105]

There's no requirement to build a SASM P1 module
The difficulty in repairing a P1 module is getting it out of the case..........it's soldered shut !

Once you open the case, which suitably skilled people can certainly do, the substrate can simply be swapped with a working P2 substrate. After all, this is what Pulsar themselves did when they were re-called.

The only exception I can see is Abe's situation. It'd be a crime to butcher his 25-IC module and swap a P2 substrate onto his carrier. As far as I know, Abe needs a carrier to be manufactured, to which a P2 substrated can be attached.

Rgds.