Question about Touch Screen LED's

[collector]

Question - prior to seeing the below link on youtube;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fke71tqRAnM

I was not aware of a "true" TOUCH SCREEN LED watch; -- touch button like the Pulsar Sport etc, yes, but not a true touch screen. Are there any others out there??? As an aside, is the technology the new Inverta is supposed to have the same or is this something different???

Thanks!!!

[seikoric]

Dont know about LED touch screens but Casio have an LCD touch screen calc where you write the numbers with your finger on the screen, can't remember the model number but its from the mid 80's

Cheers, Ric

[holly35]

these are the real deal.touchtron orient 1970s vintage led.
the worlds first touch screen watch; from 1975.this beats pulsars sport by a couple of years.(but this was a different set up)
these orient watches are superb and very rare.i believe they are among the most desirable leds made.all stainless steel construction and superbly engineered.buy it now while you can.in over 4 years of watching e bay i have seen them only about 3 times for sale.but not in this nos condition.
while wearing this watch you simple touch the top of the watch case to light the display.however show it to your friends and get them to touch the top themselves and it wont work.by then touching them and getting them to repeat this and hey!it works!
the ultimate led watch ...far rarer than pulsar hamilton etc.

[retroleds]

These are "touch bezel", not actually, "touch screen" - the top portion of the bezel is electrically isolated from the case. Same setup as both Ladies and Gent's Pulsar Touch watches...prone to same problem of staying on after washing hands. Same solution I suggested(and other's have apparently been using) - wipe the gasket with some liquid silicone(stuff for making camping gear water resistant or the stuff for sealing tile grout) or wipe it with some silicone caulk of the correct color and wipe off the excess, leaving some in the groove between the metal and the gasket. Smallest bit of water can complete the circuit....liquid silicone has a smaller molocule size than water. :)

Those are very nice watches....I got a few in a private sale from a different seller in the same country(Spain) a while back...someone must have found a box of these somewhere.

Mr. Klien indicated that the Inverta was responsive only to a human touch, so it sounds like there is a more complex triggering mechanism. I'm guessing infra-red sensors.

[holly35]

anyone any boxes and instructions for these?
to what other led watch would you compare them to interms of quality and engineering?
rarest of all leds?

[retroleds]

Slightly rare ...I just think nobody sells theirs
Quality - smoothly executed, glass screens, sleek no-brand bands generally with clasp marked "Orient".
Case and modules are marked "Orient Watch Co, Ltd., Japan"
Module oddies: common of batteries doesn't touch case, a small "fin" sticking out from top edge of module contacts the lower half of the case. A small electrically conductive rubber nub(super small, like 1/64"/.5mm dia. X 1/32"/1.5mm tall) sticks out of the lower of two holes in front of module and touches front piece of bezel. If you lose that little guy, a small spring will work(junk LCDs seem to always have a few spare springs). :?
Setting and operation: Touch bezel gives time, second touch gives date(numerical, no month). Command button only gives seconds on some models, gives time and then jumps to seconds on others...
Somehow I feel like it is a Citizens product.
Was this exhaustive enough?

[azimuth_pl]

hey Ed,

can you please post a pic of the module and the parts you are mentioning?
I have one nonworker which is clean so I assume that something is missing.
as for ingenuity I would say that Orient modules are technically marvelous - very well made and complex.

[retroleds]

Poitr:

I'm a step ahead of you....I'lll feature them(inside and out) in the next edition of www.thedigitalwatch.com in 12-13 days(first Saturday of the Month), as the Vintage of the Month. I'll admit, I had this non-worker which I had set aside for a "rainy day", but the discussion inspired me to open a worker and the troubled one to see what I could make of it. I'm wearing the one I fixed right now. Tell you what, I won't make you wait for the inside shot...I'll go shoot it right now. Back in 10 minutes from when I post this reply. :)

And note(in case someone replaced it - the battery clip does not touch the case - case back should have a plastic insert to avoid that from ever happening.May the repairing gods be with you....

[azimuth_pl]

thanks for these great pics :)
I'll start working on my nonworker as soon as I get back from work.
maybe it will start working. another idea is a quartz swap.

[collector]

First, thanks to Ed for clarifing that the Orient is a touch sensor NOT a touch screen as the seller on eBay advertised. Big difference!!! to me a touch sensor is not a touch screen. The way I understand it, "touch screen technology" is exactly what the name implys, you touch the screen - not a sensor along side the screen.

And it was great to get all the info about the Orient, but I'd like to back back to my original question (now modified) are there any other Touch Sensor's out there besides the Pulsar's / Orient's???

[Higgie]

Well i have these, and they are both working.
Both cheap hongkong watches but rare in working condition.

[retroleds]

I have some of those that Higgie shows(many are "Gila" or "La General", brand. The wife has a woman's that looks like those but only has the command sensor on top(6 oclock position) and a recessed setting button on the side.

[holly35]

regarding the operation of these watches.must you touch a specific part of the case to light the watch or is any part of the top bezel touch sensitive?
any more operating feautures?

[retroleds]

regarding the operation of these watches.must you touch a specific part of the case to light the watch or is any part of the top bezel touch sensitive?
any more operating feautures?

Any part of top bezel ring. Pretty basic features, time, date(numeric), seconds. I'll review them the upcoming(this weekend) edition of www.thedigitalwatch., as "Vintage of Month" - I have 4(5?) models here.

[holly35]

is it possible that some of these are more or less sensitive to operation?
also should it work boxed off the wrist by contacting the upper and lower bezel with your finger?
i noticed a seller on e bay states the watches are touched at the three oclock position.?if it only operates at on point of contact is it likley just to be making a poor contact?

[Synchroserious]

Could not resist this post. Since the three oclock position is where the metal post is located then that would be the touch post on screen.No doubt in my mind if you bridge a wire from the three oclock post to the Bottom(Ground) you will get a display.Cleanliness of the post and how much you perspire varying on what you eat,how much hair is under the watch,how tight you wear it to your wrist to make a connection would be the top 4 reasons one would experience a sporadic display/connection.


Still all in all it is cool and a once trendy approach to something other than pushers or sliders that required more force.Understanding the 4 rules above and using a PEN(not pencil) eraser to get the post nice and clean. Just like what is done to posts or contacts on cordless phones,if you don't clean them once in a while you have to jiggle the phone to get a connection on the charger.Don't forget to blow away all the eraser reamains when your done.

As for the water Don't do it because there may not even be an old o-ring around the post to keep water out.Retro Ed has a silicone concoction to help that aspect. Hope this is on track and helpful.Who knows about what effect hand and body lotions have on your body being a good conductor switch?

My two cents.

[holly35]

just seen this months article on the orient watches.regarding the removal of the lacquer on the bezel ,what do you recomend using?i have two ,one is perfect the other must have this laquer on it as its not as responsive to touch.

[retroleds]

I used fingernail polish, finishing with rubbing alcohol...keep it off the glass.

You mean somebody actually reads that thing?! We have a series of conflicting activities going on here, so the "Quick Tip" will probably come on Wenesday.

[holly35]

ed
regarding the poor performance of my nos orient watch i cleaned it with white spirit being careful to use a cotton bud with a small amount of cleaner on it.then i dried it and cleaned it with some regular glass polish.still it only worked intermittently and only an the 3 oclock sweet spot. (no function at all if you box it and try touching the upper and lower case)i had my first watch returned to the seller in spain who said the watch only works on the wrist and a the 3 oclock position.
he said he had a original orient documment to this effect
he told me i was wrong about the proper operation of these watches,but he said he knew a thing or two about these and was in the jewellery trade he returned an exchange watch said it was working perfectly fine.
finally it pays to take valuble advice from the experts.......after looking at the module on the magazine site i noticed that the rubber nub on the face of the module was in the upper hole on my watch .i changed it to the lower hole ,reassembled it and it works perfectly like it should .
ed you are invaluble!!!!! it goes to show some sellers have no idea what they are talking about.
i did notice on the inside of the case a small 4/5 mm dia hole in the case . (above the display )this is where the rubber nub had been touching and not the case to make contact.
i pressume these different positions for the rubber nub are for different cases?