wyler led watches

[holly35]

anyone any info on this watch brand and their led models?
case and crystal quality? modules made by who?general build etc

[azimuth_pl]

quality as mentioned in waltham thread

[holly35]

its funny how you can receive conflicting remarks on some brands.this one for example one very respected gentleman who knows about leds stated they we of decent quality ,usually glass crystals and nat semmi or hughes modules wyler is a swiss company .
while the above reply is somewhat different.
what to do?

[azimuth_pl]

Swiss has got nothing to do with the quality of the watches.
The statements are just an average opinion with some exceptions.

I have seen both Waltham and Wyler LEDs of very good quality but I have also seen crap versions with these names.
it all depends when and who made them.
Both brands are just brands=labels as the companies hardly (or at all) produced watches on their own in those days.
The owners of the brands just sold the licences for a certain period of time to anyone interested in labeling their watches.
For instance a long time ago, Gruen was a top shelf watch produced in the same factory as Rolex movements. Today it's just a label with Chinese assembled watches.

[holly35]

still i would have thought if your wyler has a solid linked heavy s/s bracelet and case with a glass crystal and a hughes or semmi module its much better than your average eastern product.what wyler led watch were made,i only see two listed on the photo forum.
also i would have thought the company wyler was at least better than average and would have some input into what went into the quality of the design and electronics.their is also a brochure ad on the forum,these were not cheap watches
are you saying that companies like bulova ,nat semmi(novus) made crap versions of the same watch ?

[azimuth_pl]

I had at least two "crap" Wyler watches with modules that were difficult to name in terms of makes. poor modules with plastic magnifyiers.
but that doesn't mean that some versions were top-shelf. also you must distinguish the same brands made in different years. late 70's LEDs even with top-brands had Asian made electronics and HongKong cases.

And I never said that Bulova and Novus made crap versions of their watches.
Don't mess the marketing policy of one company with policies of other companies. That's a very individual thing for every company.
Bulova was and still is a reputable make however their hexagonal LED watch from 1976 has an Asian Mostek module and Hong Kong case. they were not crap but that also shows you a tendency of the market influenced by the aging of the LED technology. producers were forced to move to cheaper production markets.

as for eastern products - if you are thinking about East European then there were no LED watches from this part of the world. only assembled from Japanese Sanyo parts. Russian Elektronika LEDs is a different story with their inhouse technology. not top-shelf but not totally crap either.

[azimuth_pl]

some more details as for Waltham and Wyler quality:

Waltham never made battery operated watches as it went out of (watch) business in 1957 with some more years of legal and ownership issues.

here are some facts from experts:
http://www.thewatchguy.com/pages/WALTHAM.html
some details from Waltham city at bottom of page:
http://www.waltham-community.org/WalthamWatch.html
and the website of today - a typical modern Swiss company producing Waltham branded watches: http://www.waltham.ch

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Wyler doesn't have much information available aside being a Swiss company but their current website is typical of a company set up today by somebody that purchased the rights to the label. just a single phrase of history without any facts or details.

there are some basic signs that prove that Wyler is just an incarnation:
http://www.europastar.com/europastar/ma ... 1003576873
"Baselworld 2007 saw a different Wyler Genève: an entirely new identity, new chronograph, new tourbillon and a striking new stand for the exhibition. One thing that will not be changing however, is the company’s continuation of founder watchmaker Paul Wyler’s quest to build the most robust watches possible."

"The renewal of Wyler Vetta"
http://www.allbusiness.com/retail-trade ... 455-1.html

"After the trying era of the quartz revolution, Wyler was purchased by Binda, who re-launched the brand in 2002."
http://www.luxurywatches101.com/luxury- ... vetta.aspx

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There are many other modern brands that have nothing in common with their own history - Breitling, Blancpain, Zodiac, Glashutte and many more.
these were dead brands for a few years or decades until a clever businessman brought them back to life. They started a new life either as cheap Chinese-made watches or top-shelf designed for the rich and famous.

[retroleds]

Waltham never made battery operated watches as it went out of (watch) business in 1957 with some more years of legal and ownership issues.
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There are many other modern brands that have nothing in common with their own history - Breitling, Blancpain, Zodiac, Glashutte and many more.
these were dead brands for a few years or decades until a clever businessman brought them back to life. They started a new life either as cheap Chinese-made watches or top-shelf designed for the rich and famous.

Azimuth is right and wrong - the original Waltham Company never made any electric watches, but the company that bought the name did....there are three examples on www.ledwatches.net . I think the same thing occurred with Westclock(Quartzmatic)...such pieces of crap for the modules, but pretty decent cases. All parts made by different companies no doubt. "Lip" would be another example of a company name reclaimed to assume some of the past good will. Nothing dishonest with it in principal I'm thinking, but buyer beware on quality. Not that LIP was ever thought of as a quality watch before the LED era - Europe's Timex.

[azimuth_pl]

yep, you're right Ed, but I only ment that the "real" company never made battery watches. a logo is just some paint that anybody can include (oops, this logo issue might end up in a long thread as we've seen earlier

PS. Mark's watches are heading my way, will keep you posted on results.
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