It is currently 08 Oct 2025, 01:43


LED parts and modules. Please help

  • Author
  • Message
Offline
User avatar

rewolf

Guru

Guru

  • Posts: 1863
  • Joined: 11 Jul 2004, 15:32
  • Location: Ravensburg, Southern Germany

Re: : LED parts and modules. Please help

Post24 May 2008, 14:20

Diginut wrote:IN the UK you have to remember that we have the worst tax regime in the western world.
Oh, I always thought this honour was due to Germany ;-)
Diginut wrote:As for differences in metric and imperial ....... but I actually like the fact we still live in a world where idiosynchractic quaintness can still exist as it gives character and charm, even if it is incompatible with metric everything !
That's true, it does have charm, and is no problem in daily life if you grew up with it.
The problems arise when you leave your "splendid isolation" and do business with the rest of the world. It's a real pain having to convert between all these different and more or less arbitrarily chosen units. It is error prone and can become very expensive, as the loss of Mars Climate Orbiter showed: "The navigation error arose because a NASA subcontractor used Imperial units (pound-seconds) instead of the metric units (newton-seconds) as specified by NASA."

Beer and metric units are closely connected:
Me and a pal drink to the metric system about once a week. This habit started after he had finished a large cooling plant project in the UK ;-)

Anyone noticed we're a bit OT?
Offline
User avatar

rws_engineer

Nerd

Nerd

  • Posts: 34
  • Joined: 12 May 2008, 16:01

: LED parts and modules. Please help

Post24 May 2008, 16:34

I have, but I think my questions have been answered and I'm just enjoying the show now:-D
Offline

Fitron

Wizard

Wizard

  • Posts: 440
  • Joined: 26 Apr 2006, 16:35
  • Location: Your local library, Scotland

: LED parts and modules. Please help

Post24 May 2008, 20:04

Me and a pal drink to the metric system about once a week


I hope that you drink in litres

1 pint= 568 ml
1 litre = 1000 ml.....
Offline
User avatar

rewolf

Guru

Guru

  • Posts: 1863
  • Joined: 11 Jul 2004, 15:32
  • Location: Ravensburg, Southern Germany

Re: : LED parts and modules. Please help

Post24 May 2008, 22:34

Fitron wrote:
Me and a pal drink to the metric system about once a week

I hope that you drink in litres
1 pint= 568 ml
1 litre = 1000 ml.....

Of course we do, (multiples of) half litres to be exact ;-), this is called a "Halbe". Even at our local "Irish pub" the Kilkenny (or Guinness, whichever you prefer) is served in 500ml quantities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pint:
1 imperial pint = 568.26125 ml
1 US liquid pint = 473.176473 ml
1 US dry pint = 550.6104713575 ml
But even better:
"The pint glass in pubs in Australia (which is so called) remains closer to the standard Imperial pint, at 570 ml. A pint of beer in Australia or New Zealand is 570 ml, except in South Australia where a pint is 425 ml and 570 ml is called an imperial pint."

I see - the metric system is simply BORING :-D ;-)
Offline
User avatar

Diginut

Techie

Techie

  • Posts: 238
  • Joined: 07 Jan 2006, 16:52
  • Location: Area 51, UK

: LED parts and modules. Please help

Post26 May 2008, 02:51

Oil and gold are two of the most powerful and significant commodities in the world. So why, if metric is so great (!) are these two key indicators still in “ancient” non-EU approved measures ? I’d like to see the red-tape brigade in the EU / EEC arguing this one against the world forcing them to comply with some jumped up directive from Brussels !!!

EG - 1 Barrel of oil = 158.987 Litres !!!!

And for all you people out there wondering whether to believe the endless series of scare stories about oil prices, take a look at this article below. It would be useful if you know how leveraged futures contracts, and options contracts work (I know – I used to buy/sell them), as you can see that the scheme the author is banging on about is remarkably simple. But I doubt the average man in the street will take the 5 minutes needed to read this, and will instead vote the same way he always has, and plead ignorance, and continue to be fleeced of all his income through ridiculous layers of tax and double tax. And I have no doubt that for each article like the one below, they’ll be endless doom mongers bleeting on about how the end of the world is near, and the dollar is actually bog roll with patterns on it …


So, here's possibly “The REAL reason behind high oil prices” … isn’t what we’re all told at all :-

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article4793.html

same article different format :-

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... a&aid=9042
Offline
User avatar

Led-Time

Guru

Guru

  • Posts: 971
  • Joined: 05 Jun 2005, 00:28
  • Location: Scotland

: LED parts and modules. Please help

Post26 May 2008, 03:15

We were talking about the high oil prices at work the other day and came up with a few theory’s...

China is buying up a lot of oil pushing up prices (most likely)

Opec is deliberately holding back on production output to keep prices high (probably true)

Speculators have bought vast amounts of oil and holding it back from the market to sell when the price goes through the roof ( I passed on this one but you never know)

Greed from oil companies and governments (sounds about right)

Isn’t it amazing how a thread about LED watch modules morphed firstly to the price of fuel then the metric/imperial measurement system then tax then beer and now oil and gold prices, amazing...

I wonder how rws_engineer is getting on with his modules... ;-)
Offline
User avatar

Diginut

Techie

Techie

  • Posts: 238
  • Joined: 07 Jan 2006, 16:52
  • Location: Area 51, UK

Re: : LED parts and modules. Please help

Post26 May 2008, 03:43

Klippie wrote:Isn’t it amazing how a thread about LED watch modules morphed firstly to the price of fuel then the metric/imperial measurement system then tax then beer and now oil and gold prices, amazing...

I wonder how rws_engineer is getting on with his modules... ;-)


hey, we havent done much politics yet...

Do you reckon Gordon Broooon wore an LED when his brain was being screwed around with in the kremlin school of shithead economics and anti-imperialist corruption scams, in the mid 70s ?

Personally, I'd like to show him what the iron boots of tax oppression feel like, and then nick his Electronika LED, all $10 of it.


(sheesh, semi coherant random post at 2am after a bottle of plonk, whilst polishing a solid gold Pulsar ;-)

(ok, ok, I'll go get some sleep)
Offline
User avatar

retroleds

Guru

Guru

  • Posts: 3634
  • Joined: 04 Feb 2006, 10:34
  • Location: Surrounded by hicks and sticks (farms and woods) - Michigan,USA

: LED parts and modules. Please help

Post27 May 2008, 16:58

I'm dropping back to the metric system idscussion...I'm of the opinion that many of us will continue to resist the metric system, for good reason, in many common areas of our lives:
a)ambient temperature. For discussing the weather or room temperature, farenheit measurements are more accurate(smaller) per numerical increment, while still staying in a range of 1-2 digits for all but the most extreme temperatures. Turning the temperature up 1 degree cels. is "maybe" just right, 2 degrees is definately going to be too much. ~:( :lol:
b)Sizes of common items. From wood boards to common nuts and bolts, the english inch and its parts of an inch down to 1/16 inch(approx 1.5 mm) are more than adequate and easier to visually 8-) identify than 1 mm increments(particularly frustrating selecting metric wrenches whilst laying on one's back in less than perfect lighting). Goods sold by USA standard volumes or weights are divided into realistic "human" consumption increments for the particular item.
c)Presicion machining, tools,machine specifications. Ironically, the vast majority of life's items which have to fit fairly tightly, have fitting tolerences which would require 1-2 extra digits in the numbers, to express the tolerences for calculations and sizing in millimeters. And then you are making calculations which are more error prone due to the additional digits, and receiving little or no benefit from a base 10 system.

In the daily, practical circumstances above and many others, we rarely are performing calculations which would benefit from a base 10 system at all. There are times when the metric system is very accurate and practical - tiny volume measurements for chemistry, expression of electrical functions(voltage,resistance,capitance,etc.). The rest of the time the metric system is just a pain in the arse for use....I mean "us". :lol:
http://www.retroleds.com - Sales of vintage LED, LCD, analog watches, parts and gadgets - repair tutorials & tips
Nov. 2022 - back in business!! BItter divorce is in home stretch, come grabs some great deals, I had to open the safe . . . damn attorneys. piss.
Offline
User avatar

Led-Time

Guru

Guru

  • Posts: 971
  • Joined: 05 Jun 2005, 00:28
  • Location: Scotland

: LED parts and modules. Please help

Post27 May 2008, 19:04

I used to work in a nuclear submarine refit yard and the boats were all imperial, nuts/bolts, fittings not to mention the machinery inside so I'am quite used to working with both metric and imperial systems, as long as you remember the magic number 25.4 for conversion everything is fine.

Imperial thread forms are a joke, UNC, UNF, BSP, BSPT, BSW, BSF etc, etc. At least with metric its just fine and coarse.

One time I was in the stores this guy asked for a 10mm bolt 2 1/2" long, its easy done... :lol:
Offline
User avatar

rewolf

Guru

Guru

  • Posts: 1863
  • Joined: 11 Jul 2004, 15:32
  • Location: Ravensburg, Southern Germany

Re: : LED parts and modules. Please help

Post28 May 2008, 01:01

retroleds wrote:I'm dropping back to the metric system idscussion...I'm of the opinion that many of us will continue to resist the metric system, for good reason, in many common areas of our lives .................. The rest of the time the metric system is just a pain in the arse for use....I mean "us". :lol:

Very interesting viewpoint, it seems to me this is merely a matter of what one is used to, because IMHO it is just the other way round :-D
Unless perhaps you mean "U.S.A" with "us" ;-)

E.g. Fahrenheit tells me absolutely nothing - I have to convert it. Regarding the scale - you can feel 1°C difference, e.g. most airconditions allow you to adjust in 0.5°C increments - no problem.
Pure water freezes at 32 °F and boils at 212 °F - I find 0°C and 100°C easier to remember.

Someone tells me he's 6ft 5in tall - is he a dwarf or a giant? I don't know, I have to convert.
Then, one has to REMEMBER that 12in are 1ft, 3ft are 1yd, 5280ft or 1760yd are 1mi, etc. etc.

But the worst thing IMHO is that there are different measures with the same name, like pound, pint, ounce, foot, gallon. As soon as you leave your country (even virtually), misunderstandings happen. Example: Klippie (Scotland) asked "how much is a gallon of unleaded in the US" - presumably he asked for "Imperial (UK) gallon", 4.546 litres.
rws_engineer (USA?) probably answered with "U.S. liquid gallon", 3.785 litres. BIG difference.

Another nice example is "Unites states survey foot" (used for mapping) which is not exactly the same as the International foot. Different states within US even use different measure for mapping:
"In preparation for the adjustment of the North American Datum of 1983, 31 states enacted legislation for the State Plane Coordinate System of 1983 (SPCS 83). All states defined SPCS 83 with metric parameters. Within the legislation, the U.S. Survey Foot was specified in 11 states and the International Foot was specified in 6 states. In all other states the meter is the only referenced unit of measure in the SPCS 83 legislation. The remaining 19 states do not yet have any legislation concerning SPCS 83."

Not to mention wire diameters given in "AWG": This unit even depends on the type of wire. What's the resistance of 1ft/1yd/1mi AWG 20 copper wire? You will need table to tell.
All I need with metric units is specific resistance of copper (0.017Ohm*mm²/m IIRC). The rest is easy math :-)
This is not an everday problem? It IS if you're an electrical engineer.

Aaaarrgghhh, this is pure craziness!
But it's good exercise for your brain :-D ;-)
Offline

Lillegutt

Techie

Techie

  • Posts: 134
  • Joined: 05 Jan 2008, 02:48
  • Location: Norway, Skien

Re: : LED parts and modules. Please help

Post28 May 2008, 09:07

rws_engineer wrote:So, does the Gillette have a mercury switch inside? I wandered what the gray block on the module was. Is that a mercury switch? It feels like there is something loose inside when I tilt it. Are these modules difficult to find in working condition? On the same note, are these cases easy to find with non working condition?


With the risk of being OT... :lol: :

Here's one:

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... SS:CA:1123


JHH
Offline
User avatar

Led-Time

Guru

Guru

  • Posts: 971
  • Joined: 05 Jun 2005, 00:28
  • Location: Scotland

: LED parts and modules. Please help

Post28 May 2008, 18:28

Example: Klippie (Scotland) asked "how much is a gallon of unleaded in the US" - presumably he asked for "Imperial (UK) gallon", 4.546 litres.
rws_engineer (USA?) probably answered with "U.S. liquid gallon", 3.785 litres. BIG difference.


I knew the US gallon was smaller thats why I converted it to litres, which makes it even worse to what Europe is paying for fuel compared to elsewhere... :cry:
Offline
User avatar

retroleds

Guru

Guru

  • Posts: 3634
  • Joined: 04 Feb 2006, 10:34
  • Location: Surrounded by hicks and sticks (farms and woods) - Michigan,USA

Re: : LED parts and modules. Please help

Post28 May 2008, 20:30

rewolf wrote:
retroleds wrote:I'm dropping back to the metric system idscussion...I'm of the opinion that many of us will continue to resist the metric system, for good reason, in many common areas of our lives .................. The rest of the time the metric system is just a pain in the arse for use....I mean "us". :lol:

Very interesting viewpoint, it seems to me this is merely a matter of what one is used to, because IMHO it is just the other way round :-D

It probably is partly a familiarity factor on some of these. For your example of the person's height. Early on we can recognize an adult person as being small(5 foot to 5 foot, six inches), medium(5 foot, six to 6 foot even), large(6 foot to maybe 6 foot, six inches). 1.8 meters would tell me nothing, and 170 centimeters even less.
I would agree that the freezing point of water could have been placed at "0" in farenheit...but increments of 1 degree faren. are very close to .5 degree cels., which allows for adjustment or discussion of temperatures for many situations without resorting to a decimal point.

Wire sizes are seemingly arbitrary - the AWG system makes stepping between 16 extremely common wire sizes very simple by referring to a resistance per foot chart, the same as you would refer to a chart for the the specific resistance of a particular cross section of copper.

Land measurements - I've been all over the USA and never seen a ruler or measuring tape using any other sized foot, although many surveying tapes are incremented in .1 foot to make the math simpler than the 12 inches in one foot.

Somebody mentioned bolt sizes...other than specialized bolts(for submarines?) the vast majority of threaded bolts in the USA are sold in NSC(course) and NSF(fine threads). The threads per inch graduate downward within each of those types as the bolt diameter steps down. Any bolt of a particular diameter will always have the same threads. The general populace has no problem with it and doesn't need the specifications.

Other systems work good for engineers and those making certain measurements...the rest of the measurements have a relationship to the common dimensions/sizes/quantities sold or consumed of the products, which works just great for the general populace. Sort of like discussing watch bands.....a size expressed in 1/4 inch increments seems to suffice, since most people can't make up their minds on what size they have exactly(for comfortable fit) to the nearest mm., and a cm. would be too imprecise. :roll:


Why did I even enter this topic?....it is like asking someone to change their language, or what they typically eat. Example: "Rewolf" is from Germany - my mother was from Germany and claimed that corn was rarely eaten by people as a feshly cooked item, but was generally reserved for animals(which explains why mom always ruins the corn by overcooking). I personally like eating corn right off the cob....I hope this does not make me an animal. :lol: :lol:

I am always glad when you guys get waaaaaay off track in a thread, it tells me you are interacting nicely and enjoying yourselves.

I am 185.42 cm tall(6 feet, 1 inch)....generally people just say, " you're fairly tall", not huge, but just into the tall category.
Weight: 102.05829 kg. Yeah, yeah, bigger than a freakin bread box. Same height and weight as Arnold Schwartzeneger at his prime......he easily outweighs me by 15 kg. now. M:)W:)M
http://www.retroleds.com - Sales of vintage LED, LCD, analog watches, parts and gadgets - repair tutorials & tips
Nov. 2022 - back in business!! BItter divorce is in home stretch, come grabs some great deals, I had to open the safe . . . damn attorneys. piss.
Offline
User avatar

rws_engineer

Nerd

Nerd

  • Posts: 34
  • Joined: 12 May 2008, 16:01

: LED parts and modules. Please help

Post29 May 2008, 04:29

I feel like I need to contribute more to this thread I started.

I'm 5' 10" tall, weigh 159 pounds, (not dollars) prefer temperatures between 75 and 85 degrees Fahrenheit. My 2006 Chevrolet Impala has a fuel capacity of 16 gallons. When filling at $3.85 per gallon, I can expect to pay $61.60 for a fill up. My car averages 32.5 miles per gallon with my usual driving habits which includes maintaining highway speeds of 65-70 miles per hour, and I am averaging just over 500 miles per fill up. This is of course when I'm sporting tires with a pressure of 40 pounds per square inch. If I keep them at 32 pounds per square inch, I average up to 5 miles per gallon less than with the higher pressures. And this all makes perfect since to me. Occasionally Ill switch the computer in my vehicle to kilometers per hour so that I can think I'm traveling over 100. :-D

rws
Offline
User avatar

rewolf

Guru

Guru

  • Posts: 1863
  • Joined: 11 Jul 2004, 15:32
  • Location: Ravensburg, Southern Germany

: LED parts and modules. Please help

Post29 May 2008, 10:44

@rws_engineer: very nice contribution :-D - the only number I'm familiar with is 2006 ;-). But I don't even know what a Chevrolet Impala looks like...

@retroleds: I too like eating corn right off the cob, barbecued or steam cooked or microwaved... :-D As kids we used to steal corn cobs from a field near the little lake where we went for swimming.
BTW you mention "Schwartzeneger": German/Austrian "schwarze neger" means "black negroes" ;-) (but I guess his name rather comes from "egge" = "harrow")
Offline
User avatar

rws_engineer

Nerd

Nerd

  • Posts: 34
  • Joined: 12 May 2008, 16:01

: LED parts and modules. Please help

Post29 May 2008, 15:40

Before entering the field of audio engineering, I was a fitness director and personal fitness trainer. Arnold was my hero. I've always called him by his nickname, the Austrian Oak :-D

Now he has disappointed me with his move to politics. At least we know he could never be the president of the US. Maybe after his run at politics he will film Terminator IV. (I know, The Terminator has been sold.) but I can see it now:

"Introducing the all new, smaller, more fragile and older looking, yet ever more powerful T-102!"

In this movie he takes on, Rocky, Rambo, Indiana Jones, and Die Hard John McCain. Its the only way he could possibly win. My wife and I just saw the new Indiana Jones movie. We liked it but was he using a cane for one of the action sequences? :-D

This is fun. We aren't allowed to stay off topic this long at other sites. Its cool to see even the administrator support it. I think Ill stay.

rws
Offline
User avatar

retroleds

Guru

Guru

  • Posts: 3634
  • Joined: 04 Feb 2006, 10:34
  • Location: Surrounded by hicks and sticks (farms and woods) - Michigan,USA

: LED parts and modules. Please help

Post29 May 2008, 16:38

This thread had exhausted it's original intent days ago, but it seems to be healthy, so why not. I want to go back to the alcohol and volume measurements. Some might think it is confusing for a USA consumer to buy liquids - not at all. The system is really quite simple.

1 cup(8 oz.)= 1/2 pint.
1 pint(16 ox.) = 1/2 a quart
1 guart(32 oz.)= 1/4 or quarter gallon....hence the name "quart"

Stronger spirits are now sold in metric equivilents....a "pint" is 375ml, a "fifth"(formerly 4/5 of a quart) is now 750ml. Beer is sold as 12 ounce bottles(255ml) and a number of other consumer friendly sizes of 22, 24, 32 & 40 ounces. We have nicknames for some of them.
22 oz.= "double deuce"(deuce is "2" in cards)
32 oz. = G.I.Q.....a "Q"(quart) for a soldier. 8-)
Beer sold in 32 and 40oz. sizes is often the cheapest trash, meant to satisfy the needs of the poor or homeless. Often the highest alcohol content though. You can get 40oz. of 8% alcohol beer for less than $2 - nasty shit unless you really just want to get drunk on the cheap. Compared to a quart of Chimay Ale, which runs you about $11 here.

Prices:
6 pack of Guiness in 12 oz. bottles,$7.99, 4 pack of true pints(cans) $8.99
12 pack of Corona,12 oz. bottles, $10.99.

I think the other pound Rewolf was referring to was an ancient measurement for some industrial fluids such as greases and oils. When I was much younger I was a transmission mechanic and we sold all the fluids by the "pound", even though we really were measuring out pints. I don't think anyone does it that way anymore. :-?
http://www.retroleds.com - Sales of vintage LED, LCD, analog watches, parts and gadgets - repair tutorials & tips
Nov. 2022 - back in business!! BItter divorce is in home stretch, come grabs some great deals, I had to open the safe . . . damn attorneys. piss.
Offline
User avatar

Led-Time

Guru

Guru

  • Posts: 971
  • Joined: 05 Jun 2005, 00:28
  • Location: Scotland

: LED parts and modules. Please help

Post29 May 2008, 18:35

6 pack of Guiness in 12 oz. bottles,$7.99,


Guinness, now your talking, do you get draught or original in the states.

To me the draught is waaaay better... :-D
Offline
User avatar

rewolf

Guru

Guru

  • Posts: 1863
  • Joined: 11 Jul 2004, 15:32
  • Location: Ravensburg, Southern Germany

Re: : LED parts and modules. Please help

Post29 May 2008, 20:19

retroleds wrote:....Some might think it is confusing for a USA consumer to buy liquids - not at all. The system is really quite simple.
1 cup(8 oz.)= 1/2 pint.
1 pint(16 ox.) = 1/2 a quart
1 guart(32 oz.)= 1/4 or quarter gallon....hence the name "quart"
That sounds simple enough to rememeber it even after consumption of several units of alcoholic liquid :-D

retroleds wrote:I think the other pound Rewolf was referring to was an ancient measurement for some industrial fluids such as greases and oils. When I was much younger I was a transmission mechanic and we sold all the fluids by the "pound", even though we really were measuring out pints. I don't think anyone does it that way anymore. :-?
I didn't know pounds was also used this way, but interesting to learn.
Actually, I was referring to troy pound (~373g), AFAIK still in use for precious metals and gems.

Finally, I have to admit there is one non-metric unit I still use: PS (Pferdestärken = horsepower) - simply because I grew up with it ;-). In 1992 kW was established as official unit for car engine power, but it hasn't been adopted yet in the public.
In Germany we use metric horsepower (0.735kW), but in GB (and USA?) they use mechanical horsepower (bhp?) (0.746kW).
Offline
User avatar

retroleds

Guru

Guru

  • Posts: 3634
  • Joined: 04 Feb 2006, 10:34
  • Location: Surrounded by hicks and sticks (farms and woods) - Michigan,USA

Re: : LED parts and modules. Please help

Post31 May 2008, 07:48

Klippie wrote:Guinness, now your talking, do you get draught or original in the states.
To me the draught is waaaay better... :-D

Both Draught and the "Extra Stout"(original?). Just got a 12 pack of the Draught in 12 oz(255ml) bottles. $14.99 The wife hates dark beer....a good reason for me to buy it, less sharing required. :lol:
http://www.retroleds.com - Sales of vintage LED, LCD, analog watches, parts and gadgets - repair tutorials & tips
Nov. 2022 - back in business!! BItter divorce is in home stretch, come grabs some great deals, I had to open the safe . . . damn attorneys. piss.
Offline

Fitron

Wizard

Wizard

  • Posts: 440
  • Joined: 26 Apr 2006, 16:35
  • Location: Your local library, Scotland

: LED parts and modules. Please help

Post01 Jun 2008, 09:33

The wife hates dark beer....a good reason for me to buy it, less sharing required.


I've gone off US/UK lagers and moved onto real ale, which my wife likes too :roll: Got to admit the idea of a 255ml bottle is awfully small as ours or normally 330ml or 500ml's, with the occassional 250ml "stubbie"

BTW - rws - 159 pounds????? I cannot fathom that but if you said you were 11 stone 5 then I'd have a much better idea of your weight. Over here for weights 14lbs = 1 stone

For more confusion on the subject try this -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_(weight)

Me? I'm 1800mm tall and I don't know what my weight is, around 11 and a half stone ish. i.e. slim and struggling to stay that way (I hit the big 4-0 next year)
Offline
User avatar

rws_engineer

Nerd

Nerd

  • Posts: 34
  • Joined: 12 May 2008, 16:01

: LED parts and modules. Please help

Post01 Jun 2008, 16:05

Fitron wrote:
"BTW - rws - 159 pounds????? I cannot fathom that but if you said you were 11 stone 5 then I'd have a much better idea of your weight. Over here for weights 14lbs = 1 stone"

My 93 year old grandfather use to compete in weight lifting competitions and he taught me about stones. I didn't say that I understood it, but he explained. :-D

What an amazing man. He's 93 and he recently helped me paint my house, and he drove 6 hours to my brother's house and helped him paint his. 20 years ago while in college, my weekend job was as his helper in his painting business. I thought that it was amazing then that he was climbing 40 ft (sorry, 12.30769 meter :-D ) ladders.
PreviousNext

Return to All other LED watches

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 11 guests