P3L on Ebay

[bruce wegmann]

First one I have ever seen on eBay. Not a big surprise that it is in the Phillipines, as these were originally intended for the Asian market... According to [He Who Is Not To Be Named], these are much rarer than the P1, and rarer than the Limited Edition PRM. This was an easy one to miss, as it so closely resembles the Ladies Cushion model [fortunately, the pictures accompanying this listing were uncommonly good]. Item number 250302460065.

[retroleds]

.... According to [He Who Is Not To Be Named], these are much rarer than the P1, and rarer than the Limited Edition PRM. This was an easy one to miss, as it so closely resembles the Ladies Cushion model.

Oh, Dennis can be named, really, anyone can be - pornographic utterances are about all that is blocked or replaced these days. But back to the thread - It's was never laid out to me, by Dennis(one of the things that caused him to implode on me, figured I was calling him a liar)what the difference is between a P3L and a Ladies Cushion, other then the band, which obviously started life as a solid link Executive band. He wouldn't even give me a peek at a corner of some official PUlsar sales sheet, instructions or anything else that indicated this model. I'm totally unwilling to buy into this being anything other than a "one-off" that was the solution for getting a PUlsar onto the wrist of the Asian guys of smaller stature. They might have made many, but that doesn't make it an official model. IMO, it is like putting a stainless csae back on a gold-filled Pulsar for someone who 's skin doesn't tolerate gold very well.
I'd love for it to be settled in my mind...sorry I went on about it.

[bruce wegmann]

It's mentioned twice on page 54 of the 2nd edition Pulsar Jewelers' Manual; General Section, Bracelet Lengths, midway down the table. It's not quite a standard Exec bracelet; it takes a special link to attach it to the Cushion case [the case lug opening is .100 inch narrower than the P4]. Along with the 24HR P4 [Time Computer evidently thought the military and Europeans would go for this in a big way], it was another failed attempt to enter a specialized market. I think all you guys should start looking through your stainless Ladies' Cushions; there may be a few more hiding out there...I bought one of these by accident at last years' NAWCC Pasadena Regional show; knew the bracelet didn't look right, and the module belonged in a Dress watch, but it worked...hundred bucks. Hopefully, if a few more show up, serial numbers might give us an idea as to production quantity, but I wouldn't hold my breath...
BTW, while looking this up, I discovered that the Date II is, in fact, considered a P2 [by Time Computer, at least], NOT a P3. On page 30, the 3216 is listed as P-2 (Date); so that would seem to be the last word...

[retroleds]

Bruce: This is stunning. Thank you for speaking up. I don't expect you to "give away" everything, but is there anyway you could make a scan of that page available, so that this information is not hidden away only to be doled out verbally by people who want to control our collective knowledge(credit to be attached, of course)? People contact me daily for information and I shudder at the things I just have plain wrong. But I have acquired some of those primary type documents so I have information on certain details, on certain makes and models. But the Pulsar stuff seems to be the closest held information - I almost never come across any dealer's manuals or any such good stuff....guess I got into digital watches just a hair too late for that.
I don't mind being wrong, not a bit - it's a joy if I am any closer to knowing what is right. I'm tickled!!

On a personal note: I've missed you posting for a while...you're still our resident Pulsar guru, ya know. Hope all is well with you....feel free to PM or call me anytime. Peace.
E.C.

[Planet-LED]

There really isn't any way to know exactly how many of the P3L's were made. It was oldpulsars.com who brought to the attention of the collecting community that this watch was made for the Asian market. For the most part, we don’t see Asians selling Pulsars on Ebay.

As far as the bracelet, it is a solid link Bear bracelet with a factory starter case link—not an altered bracelet. This is the same style bracelet that was used on three different Pulsar models (Date Command, Executive and P3L)-- each having a different link attaching it to the case. It is a well known fact that Pulsar never made their own bracelets. All of them were ordered from one of several bracelet manufacturers. The Pulsar Jeweler's Technical Manual lists the bracelet manufacturer of the Men's P3L as being made by Bear. All evidence points to the fact that this is a Pulsar model.

I’ve gone through the Jewelers Technical Manual, and the oldpulsars website and can’t find a “Limited Edition PRM”?

[retroleds]

What is a LImited Edition PRM? Who wants to sell me their Pulsar Jeweler's manual so it can be scanned and put online so we all can look at some of this data. It's almost Halloween - show me your goodies!!

Don't make me 'sic' the drunken pumpkins on you..

[bruce wegmann]

The Limited Edition [Pulse Rate Monitor] is the one in 14K solid gold [it's refered-to as such in the website description, not the manual]. The production was limited to 100 pieces [there was also a LE 18K Calculator]. Until recently, only six were known in collections [a seventh surfaced a month ago and now resides in my collection]. The P3L is definitely an oddball model; it went largely unnoted until about a year ago...I had one for nearly a year without realizing it. Again, everybody should be checking out their Ladies' stainless Cushions...I'll bet somebody will get lucky. So far, the known total would seem to be four..I'm sure we can do better than that...! BTW. a J-B band is also listed as being available for the P3L...anyone seen one of those?

[Diginut]

Not wanting to start wars or anything, but we are all supposed to be mature people with a common interest in keeping the LED spirit alive, and sharing our knowledge, and if anything spread awareness (like I do everyday that I wear an LED to the office - full of techy people aged 25-35 born after Pulsar were world famous).

Hoarding "secret pulsar documents" isn't going to do anyone any favours and is pretty childish. Revealing them will help spread the word, and allow the masses to understand what was happening back before many of those on here were out of nappies.

[Edited due to new link]
The entire PULSAR JEWELERS MANUAL, 2nd Edition is now available at
http://www.dwf.nu/Info/PulsarManual2ndEd.htm - all pages 1-58.

Meanwhile, I know somewhere in my hoard I might have a P3L, or at least a Ladies Cushion or even a suspiciously slim P4 Exec in SS, I just cant recall what it was other than 'odd' … but you lot will be the first to know if I find it !


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[bruce wegmann]

Another P3L on eBay. Comes up on Pulsar LED search page [item No. 290309577527]. Does anyone know if this is actually the original box these came in? I see the BIN has been reduced from $1.2K to something almost reasonable.