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Post22 Nov 2008, 20:49

I've never been much of a "boxophile", so I'm hoping Bruce or one of our Pulsar gurus can tell me what the significance of the box to the right is. I've never seen another like it, it came in an unmarked/unlabeled outer box(standard grey issue marked Time Computer). It seems like it pre-dates the one on the left.
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Post23 Nov 2008, 12:04

I would say the boxes represent a specialized segment of watch collecting. Every watch, after all, originally came in a box of some sort, some plain, others quite elaborate. What you have here are two of the three [what I like to call] "blue boxes". I am inclined to think the low-profile one on the right is the earliest, and rarest. Due to the cramped interior, it is difficult to fit even a P2, with its' ultimately flexible bracelet, into the holder without it sitting too high, and crushing a crystal-shaped flat spot onto the inside of the top. Because of this, it is unlikely any other model came in this box, and it was soon replaced with the taller version, which allowed for models with less-flexible bracelets. Many P2s, DateIIs, and P3s came in this box. There is third variation that is externally identical, but the oval silver plaque on the botton right is gone, and is replaced by a silver band in the lower part of the interior top that reads "PULSAR" in the center; this box is about midway in scarcity between the other two. The commonest box, by a wide margin, is the ubiquitous "brown clamshell". I would estimate the majority of P3s, P4s, Dress, and some Ladies' models left the factory in that container. There are a number of boxes that were limited to one or two models; the P1, PRM, the clear plastic "see-thru" P2 box, were unique to those models. There were also the slipcase calculator cases, and a dedicated series of Gold boxes, restricted to the solid gold models [these, like the watches they contained, are quite rare]. If I can ever get the procedure for posting pictures correct, I do have images of all but two of them [perhaps I could email them to some kind volunteer, who could post them for me]. There were also, of course, distinctive boxes for the Omega and Hamilton Time Computers. All together, another facet of the hobby that can consume unseemly amounts of money...
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Post23 Nov 2008, 13:52

another facet of the hobby that can consume unseemly amounts of money...


Name one part that doesn't... :roll:
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Post24 Nov 2008, 12:40

I'd be happy to upload them Bruce Just email them to me.

Whilst on the subject, is the box shown in the following Ebay auction, purely for women's Pulsar's ? If not, what men's models came in it ?

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Post24 Nov 2008, 22:47

A lot of P3s and some P4s also came in this box. Interestingly, this box was not specifically by or for Pulsar watches; I have seen CompuChron and Marcel watches in the identical box...only the company logo in the insert in the box top and the left interior was changed. Like the plastic "see-thru" box for the P2, this was a generic box modified to Time Computer specifications. Andrew, I'm going to take some new pics, and show these properly...will get them to you in the next few days, thanks.
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Post25 Nov 2008, 03:10

Bruce:
You can always email me the pictures(retroleds@aol.com) and I'll get them up asap. For everyone's edification.
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Post25 Nov 2008, 10:29

Yes, send them to Ed.......that'll be easier !

By the way Bruce, what is this "see-through" P2 box ? I haven't heard of this before. Please include a picture of this if you've got one.

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Post27 Feb 2009, 03:50

I see Ed has posted the pics of the boxes, including the odd P2 one. Amazingly, I have found an OUTER box for this, in remarkably good condition. Just click in the red gallery link and you're there. The P1-Sport comparison shot is there, too, along with all the special Gold Box editions.
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Post27 Feb 2009, 03:55

Bruce is being coy...he has some other cool stuff to show(a little bird told me :-P ). In due time I suppose..plotting a timely appearance. :!:
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Post22 Oct 2009, 09:48

I've just jagged one of these low-profile boxes with the silver inserts. I think it's an early P2 box as well. It's got the outer silver box, with a sticker that doesn't mention the model, just '14k Gold Filled Case and Bracelet' and the serial number (perhaps indicating there was only one model available ?).

The serial number is 47194. is this early Bruce ?
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Post22 Oct 2009, 22:36

What is the height (Closed, Top-Bottom) of the low profile version?
Or height of the regular version?
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Post22 Oct 2009, 23:10

A 47000 serial number is about lower-mid-range production, bearing in mind that the lowest possible serial is 10001 [I have a 2980 with serial 10282], and the highest I have seen is in the 140000 range. As I said, the low profile of this box and the design of the inserts makes it impossible to fit a watch with a less flexible bracelet inside without crushing the upper interior [the Calculator boxes had a similar shortcoming...you have to bend the watch collar in an odd way to let the watch sit low enough not to hit the inside of the top!].
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Post23 Oct 2009, 00:07

The reason I ask about the height is because I have this style box without any insert, and with no other boxes to compare it to. Its the one and only Pulsar box I have ever seen or owned of this style.
Thanks to anyone in taking the time in providing the measurements.
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Post23 Oct 2009, 08:17

Hi Benrus.
The normal blue box is about 78mm in height.
The low profile one is about 60mm in height.

The upper half of each box look to be the same size. It's the lower half of the boxes that give the overall height difference.

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Post23 Oct 2009, 09:14

To add to the story, this box also came with an early instruction manual edition, dated 8/72. Almost identical to the one below, which is dated 4/73:
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The minor differences that I can see relate to sending in the registration card.
Anyway, the August 1972 edition must be the earliest edition of the P2 manual I'd guess. Anyone got an earlier edition ?

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Thanks CHARGER105 ;-)
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Post24 Oct 2009, 13:08

I have 8 of these instruction books, and they are all of just two printings, 8/72 and 4/73. It's my guess they were specifically sized for the "see-through" box...there is less than a 1/32 inch clearance at the top. BUT, the important thing is, I was casually thumbing through it [it's amazing how you can look at something a dozen times, and not notice something really interesting], and I would draw your attention to the three pictures that appear on pages 9 and 10, which show how the setting magnet is stored, and how to physically set the watch. For a simple instruction book, the quality of the images is surprisingly good...
On page 9, look closely at the magnet hatch in the clasp...look familiar?
On page 10, left pic...check out the caseback markings...never have seen one like that...and no serial number. Right pic...the rest of the unique marking [which reads "*BASE METAL BEZEL", and below, in even smaller letters, "stainless steel back"]. And note the circular brushing, also not seen on production P2s. Finally, the "Pulsar" logo on the case is consistant, and different from, any P2 I have seen [though it is the only element of the image I think might have been retouched, or even just added]. Could we be looking at a late prototype here...?
Just some observations I thought I'd toss out...another surprise, like the odd P4s that were discussed a while back.
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Post25 Oct 2009, 02:38

Thanks Bruce.
Well spotted !
I am guessing the magnet hatch is a P1 hatch ? It's shaped like the P1 magnet. I'm sure it looks a lot more familiar to you than most other people :lol:

I have trouble making out the case markings in the images, but I think I've convinced myself that they are what you suggest.

Looks like they put the manual together before the final P2 production units were ready, and never wnt back to change the images.

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Post25 Oct 2009, 05:18

Good catch on the P1 magnet hatch...if that's not what it is, all my P1s are missing parts! What I can't help wondering, is...did they put an 18K part on a stainless watch? I guess, in a B&W picture, it wouldn't matter much. On the caseback markings, I do have the benefit of a very minty copy of the instructions, and the pics are very sharp and clear.

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