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Post20 Dec 2009, 02:50

hello all

I have a gold pulsar p2, the case back says:

14k gold bezel
Stainless steel back
10565

Is this solid gold?

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/5480/dsc00189rk.jpg

This is a picture of the back of the case, with the side button removed.

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Post20 Dec 2009, 03:28

Yes it is ! I'm guessing you didn't buy it as such, so that's a good catch.
It came with a standard GF P2 band which should be easy enough to source, so lucky you !

BTW, if anyone's got one of these casebacks, I need one. PM me if you're itching to get rid of it.
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Post20 Dec 2009, 04:22

hello,

when i got it a few years ago the seller explained to me it was a broken gold filled p2 and it had its original bracelet, i guess the seller did not read the case back, it was clearly marked, i did not either until years later.

i will try to replace the module and get it working.

i have never seen a 14k solid gold p2 bezel, this must have been rare.

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Post20 Dec 2009, 04:58

It's model #2975. Check Oldpulars under the P2 description. I'm not sure if your missing button is supposed to be solid gold or not. Bruce could probably explain this.

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Post20 Dec 2009, 05:47

i have the button, the metal plate that holds the button and spring in place fell off, it needs to be glued or soldered.

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Post20 Dec 2009, 06:33

Yup, that's for real; the button is solid 14K also. I have four of these...the lowest serial 10856, the highest, 11621, so, at 10565, you have a LOW serial. I have 2980s [solid 14K case and back, with solid 14K bracelet] at 10282 and 10337, and two others at 18002 and 18075...[something tells me this was a short run], so, somewhere between 337 and 565 they went to goldfilled bracelets and stainless casebacks. Notice the "hollowed-out" appearance of the case...especially how the module sits on four short "pillars" instead of a solid step of metal [the cross-sections of the case were minimized to keep the weight about the same as a stainless one; a clever idea, but makes the case far more suseptable to denting, being made of thinner and softer metal...the solid-gold P3s and P4s have similar internal construction]. The caseback is not quite unique; Time Computer did a P3 in similar style [the 3115]...the difference is, the P3 casebacks will have a six-digit serial, the P2s, five. About $600 worth of gold there, at current prices. Definitely worth restoring; if you can find a working, decent-looking GF P2 at a reasonable price.
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Post20 Dec 2009, 14:10

charger105 wrote:It came with a standard GF P2 band which should be easy enough to source


I'am in the same boat I've been looking for months for a mint GF band and clasp for my 2975 with no luck what so ever... :-(

Nice catch getting a solid gold P2 when its all restored don't forget to post a few pictures for us all to :O`~ over.

Just for the info the serial number on mine is 11537.
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Post21 Dec 2009, 03:35

thanks for your replies,

Bruce you are a gold mine of information, your kindness in educating this forum is priceless.

i live in south east michigan (near detroit) where the economy has fell apart were i found and saved this p2 from being melted down and lost forever.

good luck to all

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Post21 Dec 2009, 05:23

Good thing this one fell into the hands of someone who cared...but, the awful truth is...not all gold Pulsars are so lucky. There's a bit of a discussion going on on 'the other" forum about the "melting pot theory", specifically concerning the P1. They made 400; less than 50 are accounted for in all collections. And the other 80+% of them...where are they? If you consider that, in 1980, these watches had ZERO collectors' value, the lure of making a quick $1500 or so on a watch [which jewellers would not even bother to put a new battery in, and were generally considered obsolete], would be nearly irresistable. The original owners have mostly died off, the safe-deposit boxes have been opened. The last P1 I bought escaped destruction only because it still worked, but it had been purchased [from an estate] for scrap. I shudder to think how much irreplacable antique silver went into the crucibles during the Bunker-Hunt fiasco [about the same time as gold peaked, when silver hit $50 an ounce]. Yet, the cry continues that "they will all eventually be found"...at the current rate of discovery, that should only take another three centuries or so. Another example, there was no such thing as an 18K Executive five years ago, then I found 13 of them in a lot of watches that had been stored in Israel for over 20 years. To date, AFAIK, these remain the only existing specimens, not one single new example has surfaced anywhere in the world...where are the others? Believe it or not, like it or not, we are in the midst of another "mass melting"...I recall a TV ad saying "sell us your old, broken, unwanted gold, silver...etc", exhorting people to actively search for anything that would have precious-metal value...and they were looking to spend $300M in the next three months! I'm not suggesting that Pulsars are being singled out here...I guarantee you, plenty of Rolexes, Pateks, Omegas, Bulovas and others are disappearing, too. But, the Pulsars are a special case, historically speaking. We lost a lot of them 29 years ago, and we are certainly losing more now. If you assembled all the Pulsar collections in the world, I think you'd be pressed to come up with a thousand in solid gold, and that would be 70% or more in 14K, and there are models of which no examples are known [in the 18K Midas models], and many others you could count on your fingers [and not need your toes]. Didn't mean to ramble here...just did me some good to see an important piece rescued from oblivion...
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Post21 Dec 2009, 07:14

hello all

Bruce your expertise on Pulsar watches is absolutely amazing.

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Post21 Dec 2009, 11:37

I appreciate the compliment [your opinion certainly isn't shared by everybody here], but the fact is, I've only been collecting for about six years. I've been fantastically lucky on a number of occasions [one in particular], and that's made it possible for me to put together a group of material vastly beyond any point I expected to go. When I started, I didn't allow myself the luxury of even imagining I'd ever own even a single P1 (now I own eight, including the only known example in 14K). But it seemed that nearly every solid gold Pulsar I got had a story behind it that suggested it had narrowly escaped the scrap pile. To argue that proves that none actually WERE scrapped is just plain silly...obviously, we're only going to see the ones that escape...the ones that don't, disappear, quietly and tracelessly...and forever. Serial numbers of gold models will be much more useful in determining actual production numbers, simply because so few [compared to the stainless and goldfill] were made in the first place. There's a lot of information that still isn't known, and worse, there are things that are known by only a few, who aren't interested in sharing that knowledge [for reasons I would hesitate to speculate on, for fear of being right]. I'm guessing [yes, I'm just hazarding a guess here] that production of solid gold models, cumulatively, did not make up more than a couple percent of the total Pulsar output, so the discovery and preservation of even one is significant.
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Post21 Dec 2009, 17:34

hello,

i bet as we speak a envelope is being mailed to "cash for gold" with something of historic significance, much greater than a pulsar. It is a sad fact that thousands of Americans are cashing in in grandma's gold to pay the bills.



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Post22 Dec 2009, 12:57

Tough economic times [like now] inevitably force a lot of hidden treasure out into the open. Some of it is going to fall into knowledgeable and appreciative hands, but most of it, sadly, will not. We collectors are the finders, rescuers, and preservers [and this goes for any collectible...vehicles, coins, stamps, art, you name it]...future generations will praise or curse us depending on how well we do those jobs now. None of us will be here a hundred years from now...but the watches might be, a millenium down the road...our current "ownership" is only a link in a chain possibly spanning centuries. Having an object of historical significance carries with it a responsibility beyond mere posession [does a person who owns a copy of the Constitution have a right to destroy it if they wish?...I think not!]. Anyway, it's still the present...enjoy the watch; I'm confident it's in good hands.

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