paranold pulsars forum?

[J Thomas]

[rewolf]

This happend to me too a few days ago and I refrained from registering.

But I just tried again - and could read postings

The one your were probably looking for is here.

[J Thomas]

[rewolf]

Yep, found that too after posting the above. Only "Welcome..." and "Pulsar Talk" are open. Anyway - the abovementioned thread is in the open area and highly interesting

[azimuth_pl]

Interesting thread that proves the assumptions by my colleague engineer that TaN resistors are not Heat Compensators.
discussed in detail a few days prior to the thread on oldpulsars:
http://www.dwf.nu/viewtopic.php?t=3918& ... c&start=22
the diagrams could have been more indepth including the IC as the ones shown can be easily figured out from any module.


however... after reading the entire thread I feel kind of dizzy.
the LED community has gone completely nuts by splitting into three separate platforms where everybody is trying to be more clever than the other.
this comment sounds very proper in that aspect:
"...I'd have to caution you on getting your Pulsar advice from other internet forums...".

"...nobody seems to have the answer." I guess this issue was discussed pretty often in this forum in the last couple of years so you haven't searched properly... Ian. there are many issues involved and I can't see that Dennis has given one solution to this either. it would be great to talk to the engineers who could have been cross-questioned by other engineers. the mind of one engineer after 40 years from the Pulsar project is pretty little in terms of receiving 100% proof.

perhaps there should be some kind of governmental certificate issued to a Master Expert to cut all this crap and arguments on which source and forum is the real place and which are fake.
where is democracy where people can argue, insult eachother within reason and just keep on talking?
I don't believe there is any chance for reason and a worldwide truce so that the LED community could unite into one place where each expert would have his part of the playfield but it would still be one central place of discussion.
any votes for or against?

[J Thomas]

[azimuth_pl]

no ideas, I guess this has become a dead-end. I'd like to post on all forums but this just doesn't make sense.
IMO Dennis is rather concerned with the "issue" that such people like us discuss, debate, declare private assumptions and guesses....although that's the reason why this place is called a discussion board.
however... our assumptions in result become fact just by repeating such unverified information over and over again for years.
incorrect information presented in good will but still incorrect becomes the standard common knowledge unless someone is eager to share their verified archives to cut all the guessing. this hasn't happened yet to a big degree so unless verified data is made public we will have to stick to our guesses which in turn feed the "emotional instability".
I guess we are all mental to some degree, who else would bother with prehistoric extinct timepieces

[J Thomas]

[bruce wegmann]

Uh, I thought that was MY job, in this section of the Forum, anyway. Ed has the final say on what is said and done here in general, but I must be honest and say, I favor the public thrashing out of the wheat from the chaff. It could get ugly, and acrimonious, but then, once everyone knew where the various players were coming from, it would be OVER. I've only been collecting six years, but I think I've absorbed more than my fair share of abuse at the hands of people who should have better things to do than belittle or take advantage of newcomers [sort of like being sprayed by a skunk...the effects are very unpleasant, but, thankfully, temporary!]. Certain people have greater depth of knowledge about some aspects of the Pulsar watches than others...no doubt about that...but nobody knows it all, and some information may actually be permanently lost...sites like this are our best chance of putting it all in one place where it can be seen, used, and enjoyed by everyone [if, on the other hand, you want to see how the One-Ultimate-Authority thing works in the real world, watch Zahi Hawass in action on History Channel...Chasing Mummies...it's actually scary...this guy is much more about self-aggrandizement and personal promotion, than doing legitimate historical research]. It almost seems a law of physics; every field has to have one or two like that [coins, meteorites, watches...you name it], to make everybody else work that much harder to get anything of lasting value accomplished. So, by some standards, I'm just getting started, but I'm definitely here for the long haul...

[azimuth_pl]

btw. as it also turned out from the oldpulsars thread.... it's the Pulsar engineer who has a lot of the story as some details are not explained in documentation.
but as said.... a human brain tends to deteriorate after so many years even if it's a brilliant mind of a Pulsar engineer.
so... who deserves a Master Expert certificate?
I guess nobody.... the knowledge is split.... unevenly but still split without 100% proof in one place.
I fully agree with Bruce, nobody has the right to call himself Mr. Guru unless he has all pieces of the puzzle without a slightest guess.

[J Thomas]

[retroleds]

At least Ed runs a democracy with the DWF.NU. Permitting everyone equal lengths of rope to hang themselves with.

Regards, Jeff

Actually, not a democracy at all(don't be disappointed). As I've told other people, I don't know how anyone would run a site like this democratically:
1)How would we elect people?
2)How would we vote?
3)How would we decide which questions should be put to vote.

I am basically running this as a [mostly] benevolent dictator, like many other sites, forums and blogs are ran. One person cares enough, has the time and skills, and the money to keep the project going. I've banned/blocked 4 people, in 4 years. There are some people whom I could live without seeing another of their postings, but I can't pull the trigger on someone unless they are more of a danger to the community here at large, or are so disruptive that they threaten the credibility of the site. Frankly, I want people to come in and browse the forum as I pick up a certain amount of business from it....but I have no issue with other's promoting their sites and services also, as long as their method isn't to post on every topic.

Bad information is sprinkled about on many sites - for years people thought that the Wells watches were a Texas Instrument's products. Wrong - Wells was a division of Benrus, and Texas Instruments made the movement for the Men's Wells with the HR/MIN "screwdriver" switch on the back. TI also made the module for the Benrus pop-up driver.

Mental: I like working on watches, looking at watches, talking about watches...but I hate wearing a watch. Or any jewelry. Weird, huh?

[azimuth_pl]

IMO democracy would be possible based on HydePark Speaker's Corner methodology.
if there is a speaker/new thread, the people could either speak/discuss/argue or let the speaker talk to himself by going home or jumping to another more interesting thread.
speakers who talk to themselves (those who bullshit) would loose motivation by not getting any audience.
that would be a fair voting with democracy standards.

[retroleds]

IMO democracy would be possible based on HydePark Speaker's Corner methodology.
if there is a speaker/new thread, the people could either speak/discuss/argue or let the speaker talk to himself by going home or jumping to another more interesting thread.
speakers who talk to themselves (those who bullshit) would loose motivation by not getting any audience.
that would be a fair voting with democracy standards.

How is this substantially different from what we currently do? If a thread is boring, nobody chimes in. If someone is an ass, somebody will eventually tell them.

Let's be honest Piotr - you've told me repeatedly, privately, that you have an issue with me not rolling out the welcome mat for some people who are no longer here. And you are pissed(dissed?) that I won't do business with you, refer business to you or give you help via your one-sided, unsolicited emails. You have a stick up your arse over my "management style". TFB.

[azimuth_pl]

.Let's be honest Piotr - you've told me repeatedly, privately, that you have an issue with me not rolling out the welcome mat for some people who are no longer here.. TFB.

correct, very true. I would certainly give a helping hand even to those who have once insulted me or been unhelpful. isn't that what Jesus said?

... you are pissed(dissed?) that I won't do business with you, refer business to you or give you help via your one-sided, unsolicited emails. TFB.

totally incorrect as I have no idea what kind of business issues you're talking about. when have we done business and when have I even asked? the only thing I remember was to ask if you have some spare parts for some watch... does that refer to a business request?
btw. that question was not answered despite a few reminders although a simple yes, no or f...off would be enough.
being dissed without knowing the reason for zero reply isn't that strange is it? so I gave up and decided not to bother you.
I don't care about being referred with repair jobs and I don't recall ever begging for such referals. I don't do that kind of stuff as a business. I'm just here to lend a helping hand if somebody is interested and I do 5-6 of such repairs per year and I don't intend to do more. I've got more important things to do.

...You have a stick up your arse over my "management style". TFB.

and correct again... I totally disagree with your management style. Tor's style gave more room for open discussion IMO and it was not business oriented:

...as I pick up a certain amount of business from it...

Dennis does the same with his site and people blame him.


btw. there is a certain difference between telling somebody to get "medical assistance" and blocking them from further discussion:

...If someone is an ass, somebody will eventually tell them.

even if they disturb the environment and insult others the best solution is to remain calm and pretend that they are not present. such people will stop their actions sooner or later when not motivated to escalate their monologues.

[retroleds]

;]...You have a stick up your arse over my "management style". TFB.

and correct again... I totally disagree with your management style. Tor's style gave more room for open discussion IMO and it was not business oriented:

...as I pick up a certain amount of business from it...

Dennis does the same with his site and people blame him.

So, you are troubled that I have my site in my signature, the same thing I offer to everyone else? Or you thought I should have spent $2000 to buy this forum and NEVER promote my own business?! I buy,sell and repair digital watches - but I don't collect them for myself, so I am providing a service AND redistributing these watches back to the public. Troubling?

I've never heard anyone complain about the few watches Dennis sells. Pretty much everyone here buys some and sells some. Bruce does refinishing, Steve K. at planet-led builds hybrids, clockace and few others are doing some repair.

I like how Tor ran things, but sometimes he was dictated by the Tyranny of the Majority http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority . Which I think eventually wore him to where he wanted nothing to do with running this forum. I'll take a hit for the team and continue to make the occasional unpopular decision.

[retroleds]

btw. there is a certain difference between telling somebody to get "medical assistance" and blocking them from further discussion:

...If someone is an ass, somebody will eventually tell them.

even if they disturb the environment and insult others the best solution is to remain calm and pretend that they are not present. such people will stop their actions sooner or later when not motivated to escalate their monologues.

Even if they disturb the environment and insult others? IMHO: You need "medical assistance" - your balls are missing!

[azimuth_pl]

You need "medical assistance" - your balls are missing!

that's your opinion and I can live with that... that's how democracy works. that is something so obvious that you guys in the West have either taken for granted or very likely forgotten what the real purpose of democracy is.

people spend money also for fun without a desire to breakeven, Tor created the forum without a business approach but for fun for enthusiasts.
I'm not troubled with the business orientation, do as you please, I just said that the site under previous management allowed more room for open discussion and was not that focused on promotion.
I also have a signature but it doesn't say "repair services" but "help" which is the best approach for such forums no matter the subject.


every tyranny starts with disputes and... in the end... with insults from both sides, however the party in power usually gets rid of the other "troublemaker" just because they can and because they have the tools to keep the others quiet.

[rewolf]

Interesting, this thread started with a complaint about the way the oldpulsars "forum" is run, and now THIS forum's host and one of our most valuable members are aguing and getting personal about THIS forum's policy - at a time when Piotr (azimuth_pl) has, after rather long absence, started to post quite frequently again, helping others and spreading knowledge (remember who first questioned the "heat speader/compensator resistor" theory and backed this up with actual measurements? If not, start reading here).

I don't know what happened in the background, but I see absolutely no reason to insult Piotr (and IMHO: You need "medical assistance" - your balls are missing! IS an insult). He is one of our best members, about as easy-going as one can be, has great knowledge and, unlike many other collectors, does not hide this knowledge.

My advice to everybody: don't get personal, and if someone else does: simply IGNORE him(/her...)! If someone says you're wrong, ask him to prove it. And IF he proves it, then accept this, consider yourself a bit wiser than before and be happy about that.

[retroleds]

Nobody is bumping you off...I consider you fairly harmless. Passive-aggresive but harmless. You're a Capricorn, like me....stubborn as goats.

Not sure where any discussion is being thwarted, I pretty much let you guys talk about anything you want.

Free help and business are very different things. Business has a built in performance standard - no performance, no business. For business and ego(admitted) reasons, I HAVE to keep refining my techniques. And many people have more respect for your time if you charge them for it Unless you are a philanthropist who is going to give people parts you paid for, the free help is limited. If you mean helpful advice, you can't possibly think I have not been helpful with others (notwithstanding yourself).

[J Thomas]

[retroleds]

I don't know what happened in the background, but I see absolutely no reason to insult Piotr (and IMHO: You need "medical assistance" - your balls are missing! IS an insult). He is one of our best members, about as easy-going as one can be, has great knowledge and, unlike many other collectors, does not hide this knowledge.
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That was a backhanded joke, since he was indicating that any level of discourse was acceptable.

Actually, I was the person who first threw out some measurements on those resistors. I have no problem with admitting my results may have been flawed by moisture.