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hamilton 957 led trouble

Post16 Feb 2012, 20:06

hi, i have an hamilton 957 watch, led with alarm set.
Is brand new,without any trace of oxide inside,but one day...no more on.
Someone have any suggest? i think will be the quartz and i will try to replace,but i don't know the exact frequency...
thanks!
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Post16 Feb 2012, 20:22

birox wrote:hi, i have an hamilton 957 watch, led with alarm set.
Is brand new,without any trace of oxide inside,but one day...no more on.
Someone have any suggest? i think will be the quartz and i will try to replace,but i don't know the exact frequency...
thanks!


Does the watch use the Frontier 2007 module? If so the quartz frequency is 32.768KHz.
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Re: hamilton 957 led trouble

Post16 Feb 2012, 20:29

yes,correct,many thanks!!
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Post16 Feb 2012, 22:35

Quick one for Ole Joe; Do you know what the capacitance was for the Frontier crystals? I spent a rainy Sunday afternoon many months ago tracing out the oscillator circuits on Frontier boards (2005, 2006 & 2007) and they are quite unlike any other LED watch oscillator circuit so sticking any old 32768Hz crystal in there probably won't work.
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Post17 Feb 2012, 02:54

Old Tom wrote:Quick one for Ole Joe; Do you know what the capacitance was for the Frontier crystals? I spent a rainy Sunday afternoon many months ago tracing out the oscillator circuits on Frontier boards (2005, 2006 & 2007) and they are quite unlike any other LED watch oscillator circuit so sticking any old 32768Hz crystal in there probably won't work.


We tried to get as many xtals that liked a load capacitance of around 11 - 12pf for both stability and power dissapation. The xtal manufactures yields ran from about 7pf - 15pf and they charged us accordingly for cherry picking the 11-12pf. We finally had to start buying what they produced to keep up with the demand from all the watch manfactures. That forced us to select the fixed capacitor in the oscillator circuit to load the xtal up correctly. A real pain in the behind to say the least. Assemblers on the production line would often pick the wrong cap value or mix values for the given xtal and the modules would not tune to within the +/- 3ppm value of the 32.768KHz. Re-work mania, purge the production line of all fixed caps and issue new ones until they would do it again.What fun days those were, brings back many happy memories. I've had a few of the modules I have in my inventory fail to tune within specs and had to go chasing cap values to get them within spec. Luckily I've a fairly large inventory of chip caps, trimmers and crystals to select from. Most any xtal that I've got will make the oscillator play, but pulling them into spec somtimes takes a couple of guesses to find the correct value for the fixed cap.
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Post17 Feb 2012, 14:28

Thanks for that- I had wondered as there did seem to be quite a wide range of types used from the good quality R/M ones through some rather cheaper looking " marked with a red blob" types! I had traced out the circuits as I had a few 2006 modules that the oscillator would not run in and I was looking to replace the whole oscillator with a modern combined crystal/oscillator chip. Works well but current consumption does go quite considerably compared to a "virgin" module.
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Post17 Feb 2012, 16:21

The production line spec for current consumption with only the oscillator runing was 3ua. Anything greater than 3ua < 5ua were seconds and sold to the no name watch manufactures. Surprisingly, our yields were high for modules drawing 3ua or less. Modules above 5ua had the xtal and trimmer removed then, trashed.

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