SS P2 Serial #'s?

[BENRUS]

I was watching a P2 on the auction site, and its currently up to $510.00 and it still has over a day left!
I know it has a working module, but the condition is only fair in my opinion. I have one with working original module that has lower number, and in better shape
Is it because of the low Serial # that the one in auction is going for so much?
Ed has better examples for less on his retroleds site
I have two lower #'s than whats up in auction, and was wondering what some of the die-hard collectors have as a considered low number?
I know some of you collectors would like to keep that info private, but maybe posting a range of, or approx.? (replace a digit or two with **)
Who has the lowest Serial # ? (Stainless Steel Pulsar P2 only)
Value I am less concerned with, but I got to thinking what is the lowest serial number recorded/found?

I have a 259** , and 261** as my lowest.

[bruce wegmann]

At 31787, this is only a lower-mid-range serial [highest, ss 143415A, gf 144743A]. Whenever I see something like this, it's almost always two newbie dimwits having a pissing match, like the perfectly ordinary ss P3 that went for $1300 a few years back [of course, with the bidders' identies protected, I can't be absolutely sure...but that's where my money would be...anyway, I sure wouldn't want the world to know how much I had just overpaid for something..I mean, the crystal is junk, and the case shows more than its' fair share of wear].
BUT, back to the question at hand. I have five ss with lower serials, the lowest at 16513 [and, you have to bear in mind that the P2 numbers START at 10001, a theory I was soundly ridiculed for a few years ago, and which is now known to be true, according to Time Computer records]. In GF, 11740, and 14K solid, 10282 [I suspect many of the earliest examples will be solid gold].
FINALLY, I'd like to take this opportunity to make [another] empassioned plea for a serial number registry for ALL models. Not only would it be simply interesting to see what watches have survived, but it would give some valuable clues as to how many were made, a question which, as of now, cannot be answered with any accuracy outside of a few isolated models [P1, 14K Pulse-Time, 18K Classic Calculator]. Coin collectors did this a long time ago with the Condition Census [professionally-graded coins go into serial-numbered, sealed holders]. The job is half-done for us; our stuff is already serial numbered! I thought this was a good idea years ago, and I think it's an even better idea now. Nobody but the owner would have to know where the watch WAS, but everyone would be, at least, able to know it exists. Opinions...?

[BENRUS]

Coin collectors did this a long time ago with the Condition Census [professionally-graded coins go into serial-numbered, sealed holders]. The job is half-done for us; our stuff is already serial numbered! I thought this was a good idea years ago, and I think it's an even better idea now. Nobody but the owner would have to know where the watch WAS, but everyone would be, at least, able to know it exists. Opinions...?

GREAT IDEA
Who's up to the challenge of organizing the numbers people have to submit?
I'll send my Serials to the person in charge of the task on when their ready. I think it would be great to see a complete numbered list of the PULSARS in each of their categories with maybe the highlighted ones as being the found #'s. Someone would have their work cut out for them by taking this task on, but it would be great to see

[CompuChron]

Go for it Bruce!

[charger105]

I'd be happy to supply my numbers.

[Led-Time]

I'd like to take this opportunity to make [another] empassioned plea for a serial number registry for ALL models. Not only would it be simply interesting to see what watches have survived

Great idea, is this for only fully working watches...

[BENRUS]

Here's a good question...
Do all the P2's share the same serial number sequence?
Example: 10001 - 10281 are Stainless Steel, 10282 - 11740 are Solid Gold P2's...So on with the Gold Filled ones, and then again back with the Stainless Steel (or Stainless Steels were integrated between all numbers)?
I am confused about if there are 3 separate serial number systems for the same style watch.
I really think it would be neat see if anyone has the same number, but on different styles of the same watch.
If the serials are integrated throughout, and that's what you were trying to say Bruce in your first response...sorry for my confusion.
I am really interested in seeing how this plays out with trying to record all numbers in existence.

[BENRUS]

At 31787, this is only a lower-mid-range serial [highest, ss 143415A, gf 144743A]. Whenever I see something like this, it's almost always two newbie dimwits having a pissing match

It continues...Its now at $610.00

[bucko170]

My GF P2 has the serial number 13414.

[66Cooper]

Ok, so is this thing happening? Sounds like a sweet idea.

My SS P2 is #60221 A

[bruce wegmann]

I'm gratified by the response, BUT...there are two things to consider. First, I am talking about recording serial numbers of ALL Pulsar watches in collectors' hands, working or not [though that might be worth noting, too]. That means stainless, goldfilled, and solid gold examples of everything Time Computer ever made, as long as the watch is complete and the serial number is legible [just as the Condition Census does not exclude coins of lower grade; the purpose here is simply to document the existence of the specimen]. That's going to be a LOT of numbers [thousands, at least, scattered among over 80 different models]. Then, there's the second thing...I currently don't have a website on which to post and store all that wonderful information [and remember, all you would be able to see is the model and serial number of a watch, maybe whether or not it's working...not where it is, or who owns it...the contents of all our individual collections remains totally private, only the fact that a particular watch exists would become public]. I've finally done a complete inventory, and all 361 of my LEDs [including 11 Omegas and 17 Hamiltons] can be fully documented. That was a lot of work, and it will take everyones' co-operation to make it fully worthwhile. So, it will be a while before I can accept your generous offers of assistance [but in the meantime, the rest of you have a bit of work to do ]. I'm guessing more than a few of you will be surprised to find what they have...I sure was

[holly35]

At 31787, this is only a lower-mid-range serial [highest, ss 143415A, gf 144743A]. Whenever I see something like this, it's almost always two newbie dimwits having a pissing match, like the perfectly ordinary ss P3 that went for $1300 a few years back [of course, with the bidders' identies protected, I can't be absolutely sure...but that's where my money would be...anyway, I sure wouldn't want the world to know how much I had just overpaid for something..I mean, the crystal is junk, and the case shows more than its' fair share of wear].
BUT, back to the question at hand. I have five ss with lower serials, the lowest at 16513 [and, you have to bear in mind that the P2 numbers START at 10001, a theory I was soundly ridiculed for a few years ago, and which is now known to be true, according to Time Computer records]. In GF, 11740, and 14K solid, 10282 [I suspect many of the earliest examples will be solid gold].
FINALLY, I'd like to take this opportunity to make [another] empassioned plea for a serial number registry for ALL models. Not only would it be simply interesting to see what watches have survived, but it would give some valuable clues as to how many were made, a question which, as of now, cannot be answered with any accuracy outside of a few isolated models [P1, 14K Pulse-Time, 18K Classic Calculator]. Coin collectors did this a long time ago with the Condition Census [professionally-graded coins go into serial-numbered, sealed holders]. The job is half-done for us; our stuff is already serial numbered! I thought this was a good idea years ago, and I think it's an even better idea now. Nobody but the owner would have to know where the watch WAS, but everyone would be, at least, able to know it exists. Opinions...?

i have just picked a s/s p2 date command with logo on the crystal ,rather than the common die stamped case original double boxes ,serial numbers match the watch but they are higher than stated serial numbers listed above for a s/s p2 numbers are 1481**A
what are the production numbers for these rarer p2s

[bruce wegmann]

Short answer is....nobody knows for certain. All my Date/2s seem to have serials in the 140000 range with the "A" suffix [whether the logo is on the case or not]. There are a few in GF [the 3250], but no reported numbers. Personally, I think the Date/2 is a rather uncommon watch, with production in the 10-15000-unit range, compared to 80000 P2s, and 100000 P3s.

[bucko170]

I have just been sorting out my Pulsar's and noticed a few oddities...

1. Stainless steel case back stamped 'Time Computer Inc. 1973, Stainless Steel, Pulsar, 500458', the inside of the case back is stamped 'Swiss Case', this is the first case back that I have noticed which also has a date stamped on it, the writing also looks to be in a different font to all the other case backs that I have, the date is stamped in the same font directly after 'Time Computer Inc' and the serial number is very faint, I found it loose so I do not know which watch it has come off.

2. Stainless steel case back stamped 'Stainless Steel, 76526A', with no Time Computer or Pulsar stamp, the case back belongs to a P2 'Tiffany & Co and the band is stamped 12-73.

3. A gold filled case back stamped '14K Gold Filled, 13414', again with no Time Computer or Pulsar stamp, the case back belongs to a gold filled P2 and the band is stamped 8-73.

I am curious to know what/if this means anything?

[bruce wegmann]

1. This is a P3 caseback, obviously Swiss-made (exact manufacturer unknown). Serial numbers for these start at 500001, so this is a very early one. The stamping on these is very different form the U.S.-made ones; in particular, the serial number looks engraved, rather than punched into, the metal. All Swiss cases were stainless steel, and the Star logo is absent.
2. Perfectly standard SS P2 back. Numbers below 35000 typically do not have the "A" suffix; those above 55000 almost always do, above 60000 it's the rule. The exact reason for this is not yet clear. It should be noted that NO P2 caseback is marked "Pulsar" or "Time Computer" (that started with the P3s). However, they all DO carry the five-pointed star marking (signifying they were made by Star Watch Case Company, in Michigan).
3. Standard GF case back. The lack of the "A" suffix is typical for this serial number range. GF backs up to the 53000 range are known without the "A" mark.
Interestingly enough, the serial number ranges on the P2s and P3s DO overlap, but can be distinguished by the lack of Pulsar or Time Computer markings. Further, ALL P2 case backs serialed after 100000 carry the "A" suffix. So, in theory, it might be possible to have a P2 and a P3 with essentially the same serial number. I've been looking, but haven't been able to put a matched set together (yet!).
And, don't forget...there are still the odd "Hamilton Watch Co."-marked P2s out there; not many, though, it would seem. A few in goldfilled have surfaced...I have one in stainless...any others to report?

[bucko170]

Thank you for the information Bruce.