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Post03 Jul 2007, 17:44

I would like to clarify that I am not of the opinion that Simon is the creator of the apparently bogus glass, nor do I know that he had knowledge that they were bogus. I am surprised and appalled that a person knowledgable in these items would not have scrutinized them thoroughly before distributing them. And before giving them such a glowing write up.
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Post04 Jul 2007, 22:31

In the thread http://dwf.nu/viewtopic.php?t=2194 about the Sport Pulsar T-Bird posted the following:

Your Sport model "suffers" from a different glass that makes the display look dim, if compared to your P2 (by the way, the Sport is not technically a P4, but a whole new module, the TC).
If you compare the displays with the glasses removed, they have the same brightness, and the TC display is bigger because is magnified by its microlenses (or bubbles, if you prefer).
I guess that early Sport models actually had this "clearer" glass on them just like the rest of the Pulsar lineup, and this has been addressed in the other post you've already seen. I can't say for sure, but probably later Sports had this new glass which is less transparent than the regular ruby screen found on other Pulsars...


My question, does the glass/crystal in question display with the same brightness as the original glass? i.e. Just as t-Bird says, my 2 P2's (original glass) display much brighter than my Sport one does. Thanks!!
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Post07 Jul 2007, 19:02

Just briefly going back to the pilot thing, and this has nothing to do with any pilots specifically mentioned here. There are two types of professional pilots (no not old and bold): commercial, who are aerial bus drivers and military, whose jobs involve the serious matter of blowing people to bits be they guilty or innocent.

OK I'm jealous, isn't it every schoolboy's dream to be a pilot?

At least us internet flight sim pilots can fly drunk and we don't have to kill terrorists and children.

I don't understand the relevence to this issue though, ah well...
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Post07 Jul 2007, 19:10

No honestly I'm not drunk now, it kept saying error....lol.
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Post07 Jul 2007, 22:10

paulmondays wrote:Just briefly going back to the pilot thing, and this has nothing to do with any pilots specifically mentioned here.....[truncated for clarity and brevity].....I don't understand the relevence to this issue though, ah well...

The seller of the bogus glass is a pilot for Virgin Airlines, someone else rose to their defense, using the argument that" he is a pilot, so why would he need the money?" And that is the relevence to this issue - off topic yes, but relevent to this particular thread. :wink:
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Post08 Jul 2007, 10:18

I said I didn't think his profession was relevent to this issue. Thanks for the clarification.
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Post11 Jul 2007, 08:18

As moderator of this section of the Forum, I have watched this thread,
first with amusement, then with concern, and now, with horror. I had
deferred comment for two reasons; first, I had not seen samples of the
discussed material, and I was wondering just how far this would go. My
curiosity has now been satisfied on both fronts. I would remind the
Members that I was brought onto this site by Tor because he felt I would
exercise a fair and even hand, and Ed Cantarella kept me on because he
valued my input and opinions [I hope that will continue to be the case].
Bearing that in mind, I present you all with the following FACTS.
I am a machinist by trade, and have measuring instruments of
exquisite precision and accuracy, and according to all tests I can make,
these conform to well within the range of variation I have observed in
the scores of crystals I have removed and replaced in the last three
years [for some reason, I have never discarded a replaced crystal, even
very damaged ones; I had sometimes wondered what purpose that could
serve...and here it is, an unimpeachable source of reference dimensional
data]. Their thickness, in particular, runs a bit on the plus side of
average for P3 glass, so unless these were subjected to a process unknown
in terrestrial manufacturing technology [in which material is ADDED,
rather than removed, in the polishing operation], I can state
unequivically that these are NOT re-polished. Under the microscope at
60X, there is no trace of partially-obliterated lettering of any kind.
The existing lettering could not be damaged with any amount of fingernail
pressure, and appears to be the usual fired-on glass-frit type [the
thickness can be plainly felt during the fingernail-scraping test, and is
consistant with that observed on my group of replaced glass]. The
thickness and height of the letters is, again, consistant and within the
range of variation on my reference group. The gold lettering, as
expected, shows no measurable thickness, as it is applied gold leaf, done
here in a matte finish [I have seen identical-style lettering done on
Omega crystals as well, on watches that were unquestionably original].
The Tiffany lettering is slightly smaller, but the font is the same as my
other [and unquestionably original] Tiffany Pulsars. The single
observable difference is the "a" in Pulsar, which has a slight
upward-stroke "tail" [serif]; in comparison, the usual logo has a
straight vertical line at the back of the "a". There are no other
discrepancies.
The critical question that remains unanswered, is, how to account for
what we see; both the differences, and the fact of their existance in the
first place. Both these requirements can be satisfied, and in terms of what is already known.
The sheer improbability of a find such as this, viewed in isolation,
seems wondrous, almost magical, in its' scope and magnitude. I will
place it in proper perspective for you. In the last four years, two
other finds of Time Computer material, of even greater value, and, I
would submit, of even lesser likelihood, have taken place. First, the
contents of an entire Service Center, comprising over 700 modules, and
many watches, including many rare models, surfaced in, of all places,
South Africa [the existance of this cache of parts and watches was one of
the most closely-guarded secrets of Pulsar collecting]. This material
was ultimately purchased by a single [Japanese?] collector, who has, so
far, elected to retain everything in his own collection. Three years
ago, through a contact made on another website, I personally secured the entire Pulsar inventory of a jewelres' estate in the Middle East
[Israel]. Included were over 70 solid 18K Pulsar and Grima models,
including several Time Computers not previously known to exist in 18K,
including the P4 Executive and Ladies Cushion and Oval [and the second
known specimen of the 18K Euro Calculator]. Via a single aquisition, I
now have what is arguably the finest collection of Pulsars in the world.
In comparision to such things as these, the discovery of a few hundred
Pulsar crystals can now be appreciated as good and fortuitous, but not of
staggering importance [and certainly not a thing to wage verbal
fistfights over, much of which has now certainly exceeded the bounds of
good taste, if not the law].
I have it on the direct personal authority of an ex-Time Computer
employee that, while some was done in-house, more than one external
company was involved in lettering crystals [Corning may indeed have
provided all the finished blanks, but the lettering is a very different
process, and was clearly subcontracted out, just as they were ultimately
compelled to find another, additional, case manufacturer]. So, why the
slight difference in the lettering? To unambiguously IDENTIFY THE
MANUFACTURER! If this sounds implausable, I would direct your attention
to the fact that Time Computer movement rings [the plastic part of the
module] exist in two colors, black and green. What more logical, simpler
method of inventory control could you have, other than to color-code the
parts according to who made them? If they were all the same color, and
one supplier suddenly started making parts that no longer fitted into
your cases, how would you know who made the error, without expending a great deal of expensive time and effort? This way, the source
of bad parts could be identified at a glance, and immediate corrective
action taken. SAME THING WITH THE LOGOS! If for some reason the
crystals were unsatisfactory, you could know, with a single look, where
they had come from [there are similar, subtle differences in the Swiss-made cases, almost certainly for the same reason; it is certainly NOT because the Swiss factory was incapable of producing a precise duplicate of the Star cases!]. Somebody at Time Computer knew how to manage
inventory...
To suggest that a [highly skilled] counterfeiter could produce such a
dimensionally perfect replica of the crystal itself, and somehow make
such a simple error in the lettering is about as likely as someone
creating a flawless forgery of a painting and absent-mindedly signing it
with his own signature, instead of that of the original artist. The
concept is intrinsically ludicrous; by that standard, the Swiss Pulsars could be dismissed as clever, European-made fakes.
So, how did all this stay in one place? The same way those 700
modules stayed in Johannesburg; a shipment of parts sent in the last days
before Time Computer closed its' doors forever. By the time it reached
its' destination, the parent company no longer existed, so the material
was simply boxed up, packed away, and never distributed. It happened in
South Africa, and it happened in the U.K. And I will bet we will
discover, in the years to come, that it happened other places as well
[there were, incidentally, not one, but TWENTY European Service Centers,
including the one at Integrated Time, Chesham/Bucks, U.K.], and sixty
more scattered around the globe...additional pockets of Pulsar treasure were almost certainly left behind in the closing of at least a few of them...the possibility certainly exists.
Finally, I have been shocked by the appalling accusations and
innuendos cavilierly bandied about on this Forum, some so vile and
mean-spirited that I would not believe they could be uttered by the
Members, had I not seen them with my own eyes. Thanks to the advancement
of computer technology, I have now seen what I would previously have
deemed impossible; the formation of an international lynch mob, thus
setting an abyssmal new low standard for conduct on the Internet. I am
quite aware that what I have just said will not be met with favor by
some, and that I may, in all likelihood, be similarly taken to task, not
even for defending a friend, but for speaking the truth. Should that
happen [this posting be removed, in the furtherance of an agenda I cannot
rationally fathom], than this Forum will have ceased to be a vehicle of
enlightenment and enjoyment, and rather have devolved into an instrument
for the suppression of truth and the personal aggrandizement of individuals. This
would constitute a grievous loss to the entire LED-collecting community, and have little effect other than to steer potential future collectors toward some other, less acrimonious hobby.
I hope that will not be the case, but that perogative rests in other
hands. I invite any interested party to contact me directly, should they
wish further details or have any questions.

Bruce Wegmann (858) 565-7038
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Post11 Jul 2007, 13:40

Bruce, I would never remove your posting - yes, I value your input and the input of others. But I have some disagreement with your posting.

The unlogoed P2 glass does show signs of having had a logo in many cases - rubbing a finger across one leaves just enough body oil that when tipped to the light the logo area is visible. You can't see this from "dead on".

Thickness - I too was a machinist, and have measured these glasses. Some are .003-.008(thousandths of an inch) oversize from the standard, some are as much as .010 under - 10% thinner than factory average. Even more interesting is that facory glass is invariably flat within a few ten-thousandths of an inch- these replacement glasses have anywhere from 2-4 thousandths of "run-out" in their thickness, frequently falling greatest toward one corner. :? The questionable logos only protrude .0002-.0004(2-4 tenths of a thou.), compared to the factory originals which protrude .0015-.0018": 5-8 times as thick!! The grinding of the glass blanks is actually the easiest part of the job, for someone with the right equipment and training. (F.Y.I. I am using the highest quality tools for my measurements: swiss made Etalon micrometers and an InterRapid .0001 dial test gauge - yes, I own a granite surface plate that is accurate to .000020. That is 20 millionths of an inch)

The logo - the letters are formed incorrectly and the lines are too wide. There are messy little chips of logo material between the letters. These are not foil logos - those have a distinctly different appearance than any shown. These questionable logos are of grossly inferior quality, and heavy in appearrance.

It has become a bit contestable, but nobody has said the seller KNEW they were poor quality, but we have said these are not NOS or factory quality. New old stock would be factory quality, not "After-market" quality. I have over 250 pieces of Pulsar glass to compare to here, including factory original Tiffinay and Neiman Marcus logos, close to 100 Hamiltons and about 50 Omegas - not a single one has this type of a logo construction, with the exception of these questionable glasses, and one Omega purchased from the same seller. These logos cannot withstand any of the common chemicals or abrasions a factory quality logo could easily withstand, so why fool yourself or anyone else into thinking they will?

Their provenance will never be proven beyond a doubt, but I think the seller has an obligation to remove as many of these as possible from the market - question is, how to keep them out of the marketplace and insure they are not sold again? Myself, I have elected to absorb the loss, treating the glass as unlogoed P2 glass, at such time as I need to use some of it.

I fully acknowledge the seller might be an innocent victim, but he has only offered to take them back. I personally would be more convinced of his veracity if he had examined them himself and decided to take issue with HIS supplier.

I agree this is a major blow to LED collecting(at least the collecting of Pulsars), but in a strange and ironic fashion, it will make Pulsars with factory quality glass all the more valuable. Collectibles markets have absorbed much worse problems than this. My concern is of the cumulative damage of hundreds of buyers having an argument with their seller, sometimes long after the sale, because their logo suddenly self-destructed - thousands of man hours wasted on emails, phone calls,forum postings,etc. It's not about $20 a crystal, it's about people paying $200+ extra for a piece that has perfect glass in the case of a Pulsar, to maybe paying $1000 more on an Omega. Anyone who bought this glass in bulk should be able to absorb the loss(depending on their ethics); unfortunately, many will not rise to the occassion. Hence this posting, and the pictures.
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Post11 Jul 2007, 16:45

Bruce, you have added so many rungs to your ladder it’s hard to see what’s at the top? Also, as there are only two of us out here leading this crusade to prevent more people from being hurt, and Ed has already commented, that leaves me!

First of all, I won’t be taking advantage of the forum (again and again) to boast about how BIG my collection is or about any of the great finds I have made over the past 19 years of collecting! I just want to make a few points and we’ll start with the fact that because you’re the moderator on this forum, doesn’t mean you’re an expert. As I don’t doubt you have spent some time researching the Pulsar and your enthusiasm is warranted, you must stop this expert nonsense. In all due respect, it takes many more years to research the complex Pulsar project than the short time you have been around. Just look back a short time ago when you posted on this forum that “The Designer of the Pulsar cases is unknown”. Well, I knew Wuischpard for ten or so years and many of the collectors were aware of him too. Any "Expert" certainly would have know who designed those cases, yes? You posted several old rumors, like the one about P1 melted down with no facts to support it? In fact, this has been the common denominator with your posts, so many long and boring post with no documentation to back them up. Why . . . for the same reason the “LORD” of Pulsar sold everybody those bogus crystals! You’re so called assessment is just adding to the
“Horror” and “in terms of what is already known” as you put it, the logos on the crystals your "freind" sold are FAKE!

Speaking of those crystals (without going into great detail) nobody said there was or wasn’t Service Centers in Europe, what I said was there was no “European Service Center”, a single service center ruling over all of Europe like Simon led buyers to believe. This was just a play on words to make his so called “FIND” more spectacular! You know, like the statement . . . .“Made with 100% real fruit juice”.

Another point, and yes anything is possible, but a “Service Center” so big it had hundreds of NOS Pulsar crystals but . . . only P2 type, not one single P4, Dress or other Pulsar crystals? . . . . IMPOSSIBLE! The truth of the matter is it’s too difficult for these rookies that printed these bogus crystals to print on a curved surface. Another point is that by the time Time Computer started selling Pulsars to Europe, the P2-P3 models were old hat. Also, and this I need help with, were there even any Tiffany & Co. stores in Europe back then? Your focus is everywhere but were it needs to be, how about another ten pages on just the logos! And Bruce, show me one document supporting any Pulsar crystals being printed outside the US!


“What more logical, simpler method of inventory control could you have”
While your looking, a document supporting your statements about the different colored module substrate would be nice for my records too!

You’ll find a new forum over at oldpulsars.com, it’s a bit different as not everyone can post a reply in all of the sections. I had to resort to this mainly because of you my friend, I am all about facts when it comes to the Pulsar, not just thoughts from the deep thrown in there. You need to separate fact from fiction because the visitors to this forum are being misled by many of your posts, not all, just the ones with no documentation to support them. For me, facts are on the top rung when talking Pulsar and if I read something I hope I am not wasting my time!

Here’s a simple test for you Bruce, VERY simple actually. What does the original P2 look like?
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Post11 Jul 2007, 18:00

Guys, guys - this is a factory original quality vs. non-factory quality issue. :P ....I love the energy you both bring here, but lets stick to the glass mess and not pound our bi-ceps or other parts - "The referee knows this game!" :lol:

We are all trying to help bring some clarity to the issue.

Pictures, documents or sit down you're rocking the boat!
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Post11 Jul 2007, 18:56

IMO i prefer to pay 350$ to buy this absolutely new watch than pay 800-1000$ to buy a "vintage" P2/P3/P4, which is - in most cases - consisting of fake crystals, other brands oscillators & transistors or modules & components from other watches, etc.


Ed, sorry if you thought I was flexing but that wasn't the intent! I am trying to stop the bleeding, I have allot at stake here. I do believe I was mentioned (inadvertently) as one of the bad guys in the caper so my reply was directed at the credibility of the notion I made all this up to be vicious!

When I read something like the quote above, it upsets me! If I didn't think, and others for that matter have good reason to feel nervous then I wouldn't worry. To defend the very actions that create this very problem is unacceptable . . . friend or fo!

This quote above is from a member on this form . . . I rest my case!
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Post11 Jul 2007, 20:02

Dennis, I don't think anyone thinks this is made up....the silence is to stunning.

Forum members, I suggest that you check out this little, hand-held 50X microscope, $14.95 USA I have one, it's fantastic for quick inspection...sellers at flea-markets will be intimidated and inpressed :) . Quickly seperates the wheat from the chaff on the crystal question.
http://www.datadotusa.com/Merchant2/mer ... ry_Code=IE

And buy a container of DataDots to mark your valuables at the same time.
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Post13 Jul 2007, 11:06

Forums should be fun as well as informative don't you think?

With this in mind isn't it true that President Bush followed in his father's footsteps after graduating virtually bottom of his class and became a jet fighter pilot. Now he's the most powerful man in the world.

OK the link to this thread is tenuous, but what an entertaining President he's turned out to be. I'll miss him when he's gone.
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Post17 Jul 2007, 17:28

well, I'm two weeks late in reading this thread...
and I'm happy I didn't place a bid in those auctions. that was close 8)
hard to say if somebody was lying, rather not telling the whole truth.
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Post17 Jul 2007, 23:59

I wasn't going to comment on this subject but seeing as i purchased both Tiffany and Omega crystals from Simon- here goes
Under a 10x loupe the Tiffany logo looks a little crap but i dont have an original to compare it to, i dont dispute the findings regarding resistance to mechanical wear as i havent tried scraping them etc etc and i have no reason to doubt whats been stated
The Omegas appear to be of far far superior quality- as good as ones i've received from Omega- the flatter printed type though- not the luxurious glasfrit method. I'm happy the Omegas are original
What has dissapointed me about this whole thread is the way Dennis has put his argument over, he is -obviously from his own site, highly knowledgable regarding Pulsars but in my opinion his statements whether correct or incorrect just come across as highly personal and laced with revenge over some past disagreement.Because of this IMO they lose some of their weight. Surely the whole topic could have been discussed with less bile attached, and again IMO the Administrator should have intervened to prevent that. May i add that i'm neither Simons friend ( or Dennis' enemy) these are just my opinions on the whole subject.
What makes absolutely no sense to me though, is if this is a scam, why would a Pilot (well paid i assume) get involved in something where he knew he would be caught, wrecking his reputation as a LED (and Grima) collector to boot- for the sake of some poxy crystals
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Post18 Jul 2007, 01:32

Gary:
Some of the parties have been past adversaries...the bile was pretty mild this time. I did ask some of the respondents to tone it down. Dennis has pretty much laid low after the first few days....again, I have counseled him and many others(since I can't counsel myself :x ) that keeping it to the facts and not getting personal will keep up their credibility. I figure your post was primarily intended to stir the waters again, considering you are friends with every other big name collector in Great Britain - according to you.

Your statement that the Omega seems as good as what you've got from Omega - did you ever examine the one's you got from Omega? 10X won't do it, nor will 20X...you need 30X minimum. If you are really brave - try cleaning one with a little non-acetone fingernail polish remover. Even the late model Omega Constellations have the baked glass logo, so that factory stock is pretty questionable.

Does anyone have actual knowledge of the seller's occupation? The lure of easy money grips people of all economic classes. I've known pilots...they don't make THAT much, and most have expensive tastes.

Less bile attached? How much bile will be spilled over two hundred+ crystals that suddenly lose their logo? 200+ deals that will turn into nasty arguments between buyers and sellers? Friendships lost, business relationships ruined, people turned off from Pulsar collecting. :x

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Post18 Jul 2007, 04:07

gjlelec wrote:What has dissapointed me about this whole thread is the way Dennis has put his argument over,


Gary,

I would hope you would go back and read all my posts about Simon and his fake logos. First you should know I knew long before Ed brought this to light. If my goal was, as you stated to be vindictive to Simon for his conduct towards me, then I could have easily done so long before this thread! I knew from day one they were fake!

As I detailed in a previous post, Simon actually mentioned me in his bogus eBay posting description! I never said one word as it only made him look childish. However . . . since he has given me the golden opportunity, naturally I took it, as would anyone!

I would ask you to please point out any comments I made about Simon that are highly personal and laced with revenge? Your welcome to PM me.
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Post18 Jul 2007, 11:51

i would like to respond to Ed's post first, i find it odd that i'm accused of stirring the waters after the tidal wave that preceeded it.I posted my thread not because i disagreed with anything anyone said but because i felt it was like watching someone getting the shit kicked out of them in the playground. I don't quite understand the sentence that i claim i'm "friends with every big name collector in the UK", does that mean that somehow i believe some big collector kudos will rub off on me by association? first of all to put the record completely straight, i have never claimed to be "friends" with any of the big UK collectors, no-one borrows my lawnmower on a Sunday and i don't drop in for a pint! My only association with any UK enthusiast is through neccessity on my part to get my little collection the way i want it. They're good at what they do and i'm crap at it, so i pay and luckily for me- they're willing to do, i'm grateful to every one of them. As stated in a previous thread, i dont aspire to, consider that i am or WILL EVER BE a serious LED collector, for serious collectors all have two main things in common- they have or are willing to throw serious money at their purchases and they all love Pulsars. I'm to tight and Pulsars do absolutely nothing for me, my collecting is too myopic to be serious. My comparison with the Omega crystals was against one i'd sourced from Goldsmiths the UK Omega dealer, so i was 100% happy about its originality, i stated the Simon crystal looked as good as the original but you're right , i'm not brave enough to ruin it just to prove its a fake.
Dennis, you're site is considered THE site for Pulsar information (even i enjoy it),but your posts IMO came across as from someone enjoying turning the knife, i believe you did yourself a great injustice and thats why comments from the rest of the forum have been so muted- it became like a personal spat. Ed - i'm not sure if your question about my little watch project is genuine omne from a fellow enthusiast or has an ulterior motive- anyway its ground to a temporary halt, but so as my attic extension, but rest assured i'll finish them both :D
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Post18 Jul 2007, 14:52

Gary - I haven't trusted your motives since I found out you were a dealer in knock-off high-end watches. I remember how gung-ho you were on the idea of reprinting glass screens too. Yes, I DO think you tossed out some well-known names to me to try to add some kudos to your projects. You've been coming here almost everyday as a lurker, just as Simon has - I track the ip addresses with software to see how many of our members are visiting without loggin in. :shock: The previous site admin. did the same thing to sniff out banned members.

Tidal wave? You said it was muted....make up your mind. :!:

I disagree with your assessment that the response has been so muted because there was a personal tone. From the emails I've received, the average collectors are in shock and/or relieved that someone was keeping an eye out for this type of monkey business - the people that bought that glass are generally planning on scrubbing off the logos and using it as good P2 glass.

Occasionally there will be a personal tone to things here and elsewhere - real people were f'd out of real money! Real people sold real watches with bogus logos, real people are going to have real problems. I took the adminstration of this site as a chance to give back to the collecting community and crap like this glass fiasco gets me up in arms. I consider the strangers that come here my friends, unless they prove to have little concern for the well being of the overall collecting community.

In defense of Dennis - Dennis may be a bit high toned in his opinions at times, but he has worked at preserving and finding the tidbits of Pulsar history and specifications like NO OTHER COLLECTOR. Not for the money, and not really for the glory. He's done a damn nice job with his site for years, so the honor of top Pulsar site comes naturally - nothing wrong with accepting a well deserved "atta-boy". Considering how badly Simon pee'd on Dennis , on numerous occassions over the last few years, Dennis has really been quite restrained, IMO.

There's an ethical line in the sand here - you can't straddle it.
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Post18 Jul 2007, 15:42

A little comic relief.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqRDFaz3SQY
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Post18 Jul 2007, 18:54

i didn't realise that by just viewing the various posts without logging in it made me a Lurcker :shock: :shock: bloody hell- fame at last. i only log in if someone has Pm me or i have something to post- otherwise i thought it was pointless to do so , if i'm supposed to log in at every visit i wasn't aware of it. if it helps in some way then that's what i'll do. Regarding selling high end knock-off watches, i don't really understand what you are refering to - are you claiming i sell stolen products? The only watches i sell are relatively low value analogue watches i buy and sell on ebay-(feedback 100 %) to help fund my led purchases.As far as motives go, i dont have any motives one way or the other,motives to achieve what ? ,its not important enough to me, you see this is just a hobby to me, i don't live and breath led watches, i dont attempt to profit from it (not that there is anything wrong with that either), its just a pastime. The fact you study software to see whose "lurking" speaks a thousand words. What you consider is my gung-ho attitude to crystal reprinting is just gung-ho to you, the fact you dont agree doesn't mean you are right - just because you own the site and i am wrong, its a matter of opinion- on which we differ. It appears that if i don't agree with you're opinion on something then i automatically become the enemy, keep in mind that if simons crystals are fake then i've lost money as well as you, i'm not trying to defend the guy. I agree with everything you say about Dennis,(hooray-we agree) he's a highly respected collector and as i'm not privvy to what has gone on previously between him and Simon, i wont comment. I'm assuming your "high end knock off watches" statement is just bait Ed, but i not going there. i'm just a guy whose interested in LED watches (sometimes) :D ps the fact that anybody is "lurking" you should take as a compliment, it s proof that this forum is interesting- surely your primary aim
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Post18 Jul 2007, 20:16

Studying the lurker patterns is an attempt to make the site effective. IT speaks volumes about my level of vigilance and work on this site.

Having an opinion contrary to mine doesn't make you the enemy, but having an opinion or taking actions that are against the interests of the larger base of the community is possibly "enemy activity or mindset".

You had stated some time ago you sell Rolex knock-offs, that is what I was refering to.

I appreciate your honesty(that you think it's a good thing) to reprint glass. And yes, that is cause for disdain and alarm in my opinion, possibly in the opinion of others.

Let's poll the members!! The poll is here. http://www.dwf.nu/viewtopic.php?t=2236
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