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Post04 May 2010, 07:31

An electrical engineer friend and I made our first attempt to power up the 25 chip P1 module yesterday. Here's a description of that attempt. Bear in mind that I'm not an electrical engineer (I'm a software guy), so please excuse me if my terminology is not 100% right. Hopefully it's close enough to get the idea across.

To start with, we used the following equipment:
(1) a voltage and current limiting power supply
(2) some tiny micro probes to connect directly to the module
(3) a digital multimeter in between the power supply and probes to measure the actual current draw

We tested the connectivity of the battery holders at the back of the module and found that the bottom one had a broken connection, which explains why it didn't light up when batteries were inserted. After connecting directly to the module, we found that the multimeter was reading 10 milliamps (its lowest reading). That seemed like a good sign since the current draw was neither too high, which would indicate a short, or zero, which would indicate a break in the circuit. We then raised the current limit in 10 milliamp increments until we got reached a maximum of 200 milliamps (this was the clamp on the power supply rather than the actual current draw, which we still need to determine). At that point, we found that activating the main reed switch caused the display to illuminate, showing:

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It's alive!

I thought that the display would be composed of solid segments but it appeared to be composed of tiny dots instead! Also, it was blinking at a steady 10 Hz or so rather than staying constantly illuminated, which may possibly indicate a problem or perhaps may indicate that we're using improper power supply settings. After about 30 seconds, the probes accidentally disconnected when we bumped the module while moving the setting magnet in and out. Unfortunately, we were so mesmerized by the glowing digits that we didn't get a picture of the display or get a reading of the current draw from the multimeter. Doh!

We then tried to repeat the procedure, but had a difficult time getting the tiny probes reconnected. After getting the probes reconnected, we got the module to draw 10 milliamps again, but couldn't get the display to activate again. I hope we didn't break something. The current draw never went above 250 milliamps and the module still consistently draws 10 milliamps. We decided to put it away and think about it for awhile. For the next attempt, we need to gather a little more information and some additional equipment (like an oscilloscope and a more sensitive multimeter).

So, that's encouraging. The module is not 100% working, but it's also not dead either. It appears that the IC and even the clock seem to be at least partially working. Perhaps it can be coaxed back to life. Hopefully, photos of the illumated module will be forthcoming in the not too distant future.

To be continued...

Power Supply connected to Module (through a Multimeter):
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Probes Connected to Module:
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Closeup of Probes:
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Tip of Probe in Open Position:
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Post04 May 2010, 23:15

Fingers crossed you'll get it working Abe... :-)

I can recommend getting one of these little holders it makes working on things like this a lot easier - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Watch-Case-Movement-Holder-Vice-Clamp-UK-Seller-/350338026907?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Jewellery_Watches_WatchAccessories_SpareParts_SM&hash=item5191c60d9b

Good macro shots, what camera are you using... 8-)
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Post06 May 2010, 05:39

Klippie,

Thanks for the great idea. I've been thinking of getting something like this for opening press fit watch cases (which I try to avoid, but I have a few).

I've been asked a couple of times about the photo gear that I've been using to take these images. I'm using a Nikon D300 body with an older model 105mm macro lens. The really close images are taken using a set of prime lenses reverse mounted on the front of the macro using a 52mm reversing ring. Depending upon the additional magnification needed, I'm using either a 35mm (3x), a 50mm (2x) or an 85mm (1.25x).

While this is somewhat advanced amateur equipment, it's not too exotic. The shots are all taken in full manual mode (focus, exposure, white balance). A lesser DSLR camera could deliver comparable results. No need for 51 autofocus points, 7 fps, etc. You will definitely need a tripod, though. The dedicated macro lens, I bought off Craigslist for $400. The reversing ring costs $10 and the primes are all old 1960s era manual focus lenses that were given to me by my father in law who wasn't using them any longer (great vintage lenses by the way). So, you could acheive this level of image quality for less than $1000 worth of gear.

If you wanted to go really cheap, before my current setup, I used a Nikon 990 and later a 4500 point and shoot camera with close to comparable results. You can get these now for about $100. Here's an example of a picture taken straight out of a 4500, zero post processing, no additional lenses or anything:
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Post07 May 2010, 19:30

abem wrote:While this is somewhat advanced amateur equipment, it's not too exotic.


:eek: :eek:... 8-)

I use a Canon EOS 30D for taking shots of bike racing and a Panasonic LX3 for everything else (a stunning camera by the way) and talking about cheap here is my simple set-up this Panasonic FS7 and table tripod was less than £100 all in, this little camera has a very nice macro zoom function which gets in nice and close the picture quality is not bad considering its cost.

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Post07 May 2010, 19:38

Not get OT Klippie - but is that a pic of an SASM module :?:
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Post07 May 2010, 20:14

Yes its a SASM P2 module.
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Post07 May 2010, 20:20

Abe,

I meant to ask have you tried giving the module a gentle heat this sometimes has a mysterious effect and brings back to life modules that were previously dead.
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Post08 May 2010, 02:22

Klippie,

That's a nice setup you've got. That LX3 is a real gem - nice fast lens, a range of user controls, and high quality construction and nice styling. I didn't know that it could also do great macro too. Impressive.

Thanks for the tip about heating the module. I haven't tried powering it up again, but that's a good tip to keep in our back pocket if it becomes necessary. How do you do it? Heat gun? Hair dryer? Oven? Recommended times and temperatures?

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Post08 May 2010, 13:11

A hair dryer should be fine just don't get it too close and keep touching the module making sure it doesn't get too warm. On previous modules I've heated up I then cooled them in the refrigerator and did a few heating and cooling cycles it can work wonders, the modules that came back to life are still running perfect now... :-D

The camera on the table tripod is the FS7, the LX3 can do quite good macro shots too here's a hand held example where I focused on the S on the Pulsar logo with no depth of field as the aperture is wide open...

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Modern digital cameras are fantastic things we would be lost without them now... :roll:

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