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Mr. Sick is selling his P1

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Mr. Sick is selling his P1

Post13 Nov 2013, 12:58

Some may know the German Collector Ulrich Sick - I once visited him when he still lived in Krefeld (He now resides on Ibiza).


Shocker: He is selling his P1. Just found it on ebay!

Shame to see him selling out the masterpieces of his collection. maybe business is not running so well? Or maybe he needs a Yacht? :grin1:

Well we still have Dr. Wenzig here in Germany. :-D


http://www.ebay.de/itm/Solid-18k-750-Go ... 2c7687eb2a
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Post17 Nov 2013, 08:20

fronzelneekburm wrote:Some may know the German Collector Ulrich Sick - I once visited him when he still lived in Krefeld (He now resides on Ibiza).


Shocker: He is selling his P1. Just found it on ebay!

Shame to see him selling out the masterpieces of his collection. maybe business is not running so well? Or maybe he needs a Yacht? :grin1:

Well we still have Dr. Wenzig here in Germany. :-D


http://www.ebay.de/itm/Solid-18k-750-Go ... 2c7687eb2a


I just wonder how do you post an expensive watch like this? You always need to declare what's in the parcel and what value it has. How likely is that to "disappear"? Besides that, some couriers do not even allow to ship precious metals/items through them. I already have such problems shipping my nixie watch, but what about something that costs over 10,000 euro??

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Re: Mr. Sick is selling his P1

Post17 Nov 2013, 10:41

open an account with DHL, they'll insure (up £100k i think)
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Post17 Nov 2013, 11:23

gjlelec wrote:open an account with DHL, they'll insure (up £100k i think)


Thanks for the advice! :Prost:
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Re: Mr. Sick is selling his P1

Post18 Nov 2013, 00:16

Why is the sensor on this P1 running vertically alongside the minutes, instead of horizontally under? !@@!
Surely I'm not the only one who noticed this?
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Re: Mr. Sick is selling his P1

Post18 Nov 2013, 02:35

Nothing terribly exotic about this...it simply means this was one of the last P1s to return to the Lancaster facility for re-fitting a new module, and so got the later 201-2 (P2) circuit board. According to the best info I have, about one in four returned P1s got the later electronics (it is known that some of the last P1s to be built left the factory with the 201-2 board, exact number unknown; it's a good bet that none of those had to go back to Time Computer). Many fundamental questions about the factory recall, such as, how soon did watches begin failing in the field (it's even possible one or two died in the jewelry store, even before being sold!), how many came back before the recall letter was issued, and how many came back at all (there are several P1s with the original E/D module still inside)? The one person who could have answered all these questions (indeed, ALL P1-related questions), Jean Wuischpard, is no longer with us, so we are now left to struggle along as best we can (some of those original records may still exist, but have not been forthcoming).
On the current offering, the present asking price is actually pretty high, considering Uli paid only about $7000 for it from "Noah's Toy Box" on eBay a few year ago, but in the current market, it's still about 10-20% too high. The bracelet clasp shows somewhat-higher-than-average wear, and the distinctive dent on the case back between and below the "H" and "C" drops it out of the "superb" condition class.
The big gripe I have here is the continued nonsense of blocking the serial number! It serves no useful purpose to do so, and actually creates problems when you try to figure out how many P1s are actually out there (when non-serial-specified watches change hands several times, it artificially inflates the number of owners; the bizarre notion that public knowledge of the existence of a particular serial number somehow places the owner at risk is such a palpable absurdity I simply will not debate it further). This watch is serial #503; it was when it left the factory, and it will be #503 forever; I don't intend to make any contribution to fueling this owner paranoia. Until this stops, we will never be able to get an accurate count of known P1s (until proven otherwise, I do think an estimate of 50 is a good one). A couple months ago, for the first time in almost a year, a "new" P1 (that is, one previously unknown to collectors) came to light, serial number 454.
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Re: Mr. Sick is selling his P1

Post18 Nov 2013, 07:12

Thanks for the explanation.
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Post18 Nov 2013, 17:32

I always consume your posts, but i felt now it's time to say thanks, so here it comes: Thanks so much for your valuable insight and the historical information, Bruce!

I also never understood why people block the serial number, not much personal data in it that "could fall into the wrong hands".

Well the 17,500 seem a bit too high if you take a look at what other P1 have changed owner lately, but to stay fair - He is "accepting offers". I guess the BIN price is maybe a bit of "the victory of hope over experience".
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Re: Mr. Sick is selling his P1

Post18 Jan 2014, 21:33

Update... A few days ago, I had this watch "in hand" (add a link to the bracelet, and tune up the clasp; it was not working at all correctly). Final sale price was $16,500; unexpectedly high, and perhaps an indication that the top-end LED market is finally recovering.
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Re: Mr. Sick is selling his P1

Post20 Jan 2014, 14:09

Personally i think it doesn't mean too much. An item is always worth what another fool is willing to slam on the counter for it. That it was so much in this case doesn't mean that a P1 is generally worth 17,000 bucks.
I have recently bought some rare watches that i got way cheaper than i thought. I'd not be surprised if the next P1 changes owner for significantly under 10K...
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Re: Mr. Sick is selling his P1

Post20 Jan 2014, 22:30

I hope you're right, since there's a good chance I'll be the guy on the buying end... ;-)

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